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7.4 Tier List + AMA

Creator: H4xDefender February 20, 2014 5:06pm
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Luther3000 wrote:
Plus, I'm not sure about it but I'm assuming that Shiv's passive damage always crits too.

So long as they have frost on them when you proc it, it does.
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Ashe's new ult is too hard to hit :^)

No, but seriously, I played a reworked Ashe game and I did not land a single Enchanted Crystal Arrow, even in teamfights. The aspects that I were able to use effectively felt very good though. Her damage is also surprisingly good towards the mid and late game. Her basic attacks did feel a bit *** in the early game though, as outside of Volley poke, my lane was losing trades.
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Her ult hasn't changed as far as I know, and I think I've only missed one of my ults not counting people Flashing away from it. It's pretty fast so it's hard to dodge if you just use it on someone who isn't expecting to get stunned from so far away, the surprise factor will often make it land. Just don't abuse the "global" aspect of it, and try and hit it like you would any other really long skillshot.
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Volley isn't made for poking, it's make for stacking so you can her Q built up and trade.
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Her ult hasn't changed as far as I know, and I think I've only missed one of my ults not counting people Flashing away from it. It's pretty fast so it's hard to dodge if you just use it on someone who isn't expecting to get stunned from so far away, the surprise factor will often make it land. Just don't abuse the "global" aspect of it, and try and hit it like you would any other really long skillshot.


Yeah, I know that it hasn't changed, and that you shouldn't use it globally. But, the issue is that even the local aspect of it was atrocious on my part. I was trying to imply I sick with it in my post :^)

Volley isn't made for poking, it's make for stacking so you can her Q built up and trade.


I'm finding it really hard to reply to this Sioux coming off as condescending, so I'll list it out.

1.Your interpretation of my original comment was hasty.
2. Abilities can serve more than one purpose.
2.1. Volley falls under this.
2.2. You're definitely not wrong. It's also detrimental to getting the full DPS potential from Ashe, as it allows you to apply frost to your target to allow for Frits without having to expend Shiv on your first attack, a non-critter attack.
3. Typically, if you are poking in Kane, then you are not engaging into trades by your own will. In a trading situation, if I am forced into one, then I would use the ability like how you describe. However,as I am looking to poke, then Bolley should remain as a Pokémon.
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Volley isn't made for poking, it's make for stacking so you can her Q built up and trade.


It's made for multiple things. How is something with pretty high base damage early on, a low cooldown when maxed, and massive ranged NOT made for poking? Ashe's volley, I feel has always been under-rated because Ashe just kinda sucked before.
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When Ashe sucked it was still literally the only thing she did in lane.
It got blocked by practically everything (it probably still does), but it was that or all in the other team.

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Volley isn't made for poking, it's make for stacking so you can her Q built up and trade.


Volley is one of the best poke abilities in the game in laning phase. It's almost impossible to miss, has 1200 range and does okay damage.
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There's always place for reform.

While he does hold an opinion that is different from the majority, the fact that he defended himself so truly at least means that he's passionate about the subject. And if he's passionate about the subject, then wouldn't it be a shame to not let him post?


Agreed, but it gets annoying when hes started TWO ARGUMENTS AT ONCE

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I don't really know much about the meta but for supports is there a reason why Karma and Sona are ranked so low? Don't they offer a lot of utility instead of someone, say Kennen?

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