7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Vynertje][quote=DillButt64] shyvana was still strong before FF just like nocturne was [/quote] Actually, Shyvana completely dropped out of the competitive because of nerfs and her simly being a better top laner. There was too little incentive to just stay in the jungle and farm; the rewards were too small to make up for the absolute lack of pressure during the early game.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Vynertje] [quote=DillButt64] shyvana was still strong before FF just like nocturne was [/quote] Actually, Shyvana completely dropped out of the competitive because of nerfs and her simly being a better top laner. There was too little incentive to just stay in the jungle and farm; the rewards were too small to make up for the absolute lack of pressure during the early game. [/quote] most feral flare junglers were already not pressuring early game[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender][quote=Wayne3100] Obvious question after the [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/news/patch-4-7-notes-28346]4.7 patch[/url] (which you might not be able to answer yet, take your time though): [list][*]Thoughts on [[Feral Flare]] nerfs and what it means for the position of [[Nocturne]]/[[Xin Zhao]]/[[Master Yi]] etc.?[/list] [/quote] Gonna drop for sure. As for how much I'm not sure. I've already stopped building flare on noc/xin, and I'm not much of a master yi player. Shyvana has always blown dick in the jungle, at least in my opinion. edit: would appreciate if you could change this to 4.7 now that the patch has dropped[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=H4xDefender] [quote=Wayne3100] Obvious question after the [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/news/patch-4-7-notes-28346]4.7 patch[/url] (which you might not be able to answer yet, take your time though): [list][*]Thoughts on [[Feral Flare]] nerfs and what it means for the position of [[Nocturne]]/[[Xin Zhao]]/[[Master Yi]] etc.?[/list] [/quote] Gonna drop for sure. As for how much I'm not sure. I've already stopped building flare on noc/xin, and I'm not much of a master yi player. Shyvana has always blown dick in the jungle, at least in my opinion. edit: would appreciate if you could change this to 4.7 now that the patch has dropped [/quote] I got'chu. I dunno about Flare though. It seems to stack a couple minutes faster on average because of the kills/assists thing and it still scales infinitely in damage. Just doesn't have broken on-hit heal late game anymore. Still have to playtest the changes some more, but would you care to comment on the reason why you think it isn't optimal on Nocturne (idc about Xin, he's always been early pressure anyway)?[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender][quote=PsiGuard] [quote=H4xDefender] [quote=Wayne3100] Obvious question after the [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/news/patch-4-7-notes-28346]4.7 patch[/url] (which you might not be able to answer yet, take your time though): [list][*]Thoughts on [[Feral Flare]] nerfs and what it means for the position of [[Nocturne]]/[[Xin Zhao]]/[[Master Yi]] etc.?[/list] [/quote] Gonna drop for sure. As for how much I'm not sure. I've already stopped building flare on noc/xin, and I'm not much of a master yi player. Shyvana has always blown dick in the jungle, at least in my opinion. edit: would appreciate if you could change this to 4.7 now that the patch has dropped [/quote] I got'chu. I dunno about Flare though. It seems to stack a couple minutes faster on average because of the kills/assists thing and it still scales infinitely in damage. Just doesn't have broken on-hit heal late game anymore. Still have to playtest the changes some more, but would you care to comment on the reason why you think it isn't optimal on Nocturne (idc about Xin, he's always been early pressure anyway)? [/quote] I really like lizard on nocturne because it is a strong standalone item on him. I always felt crippled with flare since I was scrambling to get the stacks while trying to make sure I applied enough pressure, and I didn't feel strong until I had bork finished as well.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]thoughts on [[kayle]]? i have seen her jungle, top, and mid at high diamond and challenger levels. even if she does bad she ends up doing well from what i can see.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Kayle's really strong at the moment, because she has some mechanic which makes it harder for top tier picks to snowball. For instance, if you're playing [[leblanc]], and your opponent counterpicks [[kayle]], aside from a level 2-3 cheese, you will struggle all throughout the game, because [[intervention]] makes it very difficult to pull off your QR combo. Kayle also does well against strong top laners like shyvana due to her range advantage, and her ability to kite. Also, kayle acts as both a counter, and a synergy to twitch - one of the most desirable ADC picks at the moment.[/quote]

[quote=Kalaaver]What lol? [[Tryndamere]], [[Fiora]], and [[Malphite]] are tier 3? And wtf [[Jinx]] is tier 1 without a doubt! Other then that i agree with the list.[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000][quote=Kalaaver] What lol? [[Tryndamere]], [[Fiora]], and [[Malphite]] are tier 3? And wtf [[Jinx]] is tier 1 without a doubt! Other then that i agree with the list. [/quote] there is no lower tier than tier 3, so tier 3 is completly correct. also first one in t2 is pretty much t1.[/quote]

[quote=Kalaaver][quote=mastrer1000] [quote=Kalaaver] What lol? [[Tryndamere]], [[Fiora]], and [[Malphite]] are tier 3? And wtf [[Jinx]] is tier 1 without a doubt! Other then that i agree with the list. [/quote] there is no lower tier than tier 3, so tier 3 is completly correct. also first one in t2 is pretty much t1. [/quote] Those 3 champions i mentioned are strong top laners, even though [[Fiora]] can be pretty easily countered, she is still strong in team fights because of her ult, same with [[Malphite]].[/quote]