Auto attack junglers make a return :D

[quote=cooper56]Wonder after 3.8 alot buffs to auto attackers in the jungle. Wriggles was buffed, witend buffed not sure how much it will help but ww and shyvana will not steal mr which is good. Some ability based junglers got nerfed and the spirit items got Nerfed. If anything i think lee sin will become very very strong wriggles will cleary super fast now and you can prob sneak drag easier now and is not a more aggressive item. I dont think shyvana or ww will come back really but the auto attackers like xin, jarvan and lee might come back with these changes or triger udyr. Also with jungle time changers junglers who like to just clear jungle will be alot better with camps coming up faster.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][[Spirit of the Ancient Golem]] received no nerfs and a small buff to jungle damage. [[Madred's Razors]] and [[Wriggle's Lantern]] weren't buffed per se; they were changed. The proc is reliable instead of being based on RNG and Wriggle's is now a more expensive item with stronger stats. [[Jarvan IV]] is already an extremely popular and successful jungler. The only thing holding [[Lee Sin]] back for most people is his skill cap. He's seen success in competitive play recently from good players.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Jarvan and Lee might come back? Holy shit they are spammed like no tomorrow. Tiger Udyr is a thing, but Phoenix is a better jungler and will be even more with upgraded on-hit items. But yeah, definitely a buff to AA junglers.[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya]Rofl Shyv clears are fast now, stealing buffs in 3 secs <3[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=PsiGuard] [[Spirit of the Ancient Golem]] received no nerfs and a small buff to jungle damage. [[Madred's Razors]] and [[Wriggle's Lantern]] weren't buffed per se; they were changed. The proc is reliable instead of being based on RNG and Wriggle's is now a more expensive item with stronger stats. [[Jarvan IV]] is already an extremely popular and successful jungler. The only thing holding [[Lee Sin]] back for most people is his skill cap. He's seen success in competitive play recently from good players. [/quote] Its not a buff at all you dont realize how good wriggles is now they buffed dmg on spirts because wriggles does so much now.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]It has 10 more AD, 5% more lifesteal and 5 less armor than before. And it costs 400 more gold. It was already a pretty terrible item compared to the spirit stone upgrades. I hardly see how this can be considered a significant buff. [[Spirit of the Ancient Golem]], by comparison, is already being built by just about everyone, sometimes even laners. As of patch 3.8, it now deals 5% more damage to monsters with no compensatory nerfs. The reason I'm pointing that out is because you claimed "the spirit items got nerfed" which is not true. [[Spirit of the Elder Lizard]] and [[Spirit of the Spectral Wraith]] lost some out-of-jungle damage and were compensated with an extra 5% damage to monsters, discouraging laners from purchasing them while not adversely affecting junglers as much.[/quote]

[quote=rudyards]Wriggles is more slot efficient and more reliable. That's it. That's the huge changed.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=PsiGuard] It has 10 more AD, 5% more lifesteal and 5 less armor than before. And it costs 400 more gold. It was already a pretty terrible item compared to the spirit stone upgrades. I hardly see how this can be considered a significant buff. [[Spirit of the Ancient Golem]], by comparison, is already being built by just about everyone, sometimes even laners. As of patch 3.8, it now deals 5% more damage to monsters with no compensatory nerfs. The reason I'm pointing that out is because you claimed "the spirit items got nerfed" which is not true. [[Spirit of the Elder Lizard]] and [[Spirit of the Spectral Wraith]] lost some out-of-jungle damage and were compensated with an extra 5% damage to monsters, discouraging laners from purchasing them while not adversely affecting junglers as much. [/quote] Again wriggles still is alot better offers huge advantage at dragon and jungle we will see but im going off some videos and what pro players are saying.[/quote]

[quote=Zelrack][quote=cooper56] Again wriggles still is alot better offers huge advantage at dragon and jungle we will see but im going off some videos and what pro players are saying. [/quote] For the same cost, [[Spirit of the Ancient Golem]] brings so much more to the table. It gives you hit points, cooldown reduction and tenacity, which gives you the option of skipping mercury's treads for mobility boots while still getting tenacity. I don't think some ad, armor and magic damage versus monsters can compensate for an item that can last you all game long. I even think that Lee is better off with Elder lizard and a sightstone than going lantern.[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya][quote=Zelrack] [quote=cooper56] Again wriggles still is alot better offers huge advantage at dragon and jungle we will see but im going off some videos and what pro players are saying. [/quote] For the same cost, [[Spirit of the Ancient Golem]] brings so much more to the table. It gives you hit points, cooldown reduction and tenacity, which gives you the option of skipping mercury's treads for mobility boots while still getting tenacity. I don't think some ad, armor and magic damage versus monsters can compensate for an item that can last you all game long. I even think that Lee is better off with Elder lizard and a sightstone than going lantern. [/quote] Indeed the problem with Wriggles is sticking with it all game long, even as Shyv idll rather have [[Blade of the ruined king]] and stay with madreds to get more defenses later even if it speeds up clearing[/quote]