Jungle Nation - Jungling Strategy Talk

[quote=C4 Lasty][quote=Vynertje] [quote=C4 Lasty] Dorans Blade start is less than optimal on everyone except Aatrox. It leaves you very open to jungle invades on your 2nd buff and best case you're walking out after your first clear at half health. Better to start Machete and then grab some blades. [/quote] How about [[xin zhao]]? You can easily start doran's with him without any lifesteal runes as long as you get decent help on your buff. [/quote] I can test it out, but once again I think its sub-optimal. You'd still leave 2nd buff w/ half health I believe.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=C4 Lasty] [quote=Vynertje] [quote=C4 Lasty] Dorans Blade start is less than optimal on everyone except Aatrox. It leaves you very open to jungle invades on your 2nd buff and best case you're walking out after your first clear at half health. Better to start Machete and then grab some blades. [/quote] How about [[xin zhao]]? You can easily start doran's with him without any lifesteal runes as long as you get decent help on your buff. [/quote] I can test it out, but once again I think its sub-optimal. You'd still leave 2nd buff w/ half health I believe. [/quote] About 60-65% without lifesteal quints. If you get one lifesteal quint you can easily exit the jungle with 70+% hp.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Still leaves you really open if you get invaded on during your 2nd buff to be honest I'd just stick to machete.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=C4 Lasty] Still leaves you really open if you get invaded on during your 2nd buff to be honest I'd just stick to machete. [/quote] I would like to believe that you are stronger with dorans at 65-75% than any other jungler with machete at 100%. Xin early game damage is quite unmatched.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]I haven't played Xin jungle at all since I started playing Vi, Lee and Eve, but whereas I always feel really low trying out Doran's start on Vi and Lee, on Xin I used it 100% of the time since learning of Doran's start and he pretty easily stays on high HP while clearing his buffs, provided you start with W like you're meant to. IMO Doran's Xin > Machete Xin. Edit: I never tried it with lifesteal quints, I just ran ran movement speed in quints.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Then start Dorans on Xin, I haven't seen Xin in ages. Play how you like xD.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=xIchi] He didn't play rankeds for a long time until he decided to do so and got on a high elo pretty fast. Also his opinion of utility items is fine, not everyone likes raw power or carry junglers. He also explain what Carry junglers are out there and I think it was the same 8 Lasty mentioned. [/quote] He was actually 1500 elo in season 1, don't think he played much ranked in s2, and obviously in s3 he's diamond or w/e. You look a hella lot like your brother Lasty (no surprise there lol).[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Why are we still talking about Stonewall? He doesn't play at the highest level in 5's or solo que...his tier list is needlessly detailed and over complicated. This thread is not about stonewall its for me to answer questions and pimp my AWESOME podcast![/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/10/1031-pbe-update-nasus-vu.html#more new jungle items are on the bottom of that post, along with changes to other items like madreds and trinkets n such, anything to say about the new item changes? or the bush changes that are in there too?[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=C4 Lasty] Then start Dorans on Xin, I haven't seen Xin in ages. Play how you like xD. [/quote] Heh. Just wanted to argue ^^[/quote]