Lack of AD ranged carries

[quote=JunSupport]@DuffTime: And how exactly do people find out that hidden champion is broken or overpowered? Some random basturd learns to play him/her and BECOMES high-elo - *cough*Teemo*cough* (Or piss off so many users in low-elo that Riot has to uber-nerf him/her for the sake of new-player experience - *cough*Win*cough*Zhao*cough* - But that's a different story) It almost always leads to someone becoming high-elo. -inb4 someone learns Sivir and blow everyone's minds by getting to 2300 ELO-[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=JunSupport] @ZioSerpe: You went and blatantly stated that X number of AD carries were viable. I disagreed and shifted the topic because I felt a different archetype deserved more attention because I have the right to do so out of freedom of speech. It's not by problem that you chose to call my well-thought out and JUSTIFIED statements as "assumptions" and try to ride your own opinions into making this into an easy self-boosting victory. You are the one who lacks knowledge about the game. All your thoughts are first-impressions so far are only first-impressions. Have you actually played the champions? Can you see others may do better that you fail at? I can. I've played every single champion in the game. (Except for Riven til her free week shows up...) I thoughtfully try and explore each champion and that's how I grasp their strengths and weaknesses. My thoughts are constantly being re-affirmed by Riot posts AND high-ELO players who have the skill to do what I cannot. You, on the other hand, overemphasize weaknesses as flaws in their design rather then balance. You think, because, they're weak in an area, they're automatically underpowered. You don't need to be good at the game to know what's good and what's not. You just have to be willing to acknowledge all the players better then you. I am still on topic on this forum. The topic flows based on discussion. The Original-Post does not dictate what people must comment on. Even so, I responded to something YOU said on the OP. Then, you chose to make it part of the topic. Deal with it. [/quote] See you assume again that I suck at these champs because I complain, I obviusly own and play all of em (my main as AD ranged is ez and 2nd is kog), freedom of speech my ass, you went blantly offtopic because you assumed I was cryinga bout too many tanky DPSers, yeah I might not be the best at AD ranged carries, as it is my last role in my team (jungler-support-caster-solo top- and last AD carry) Yet I know my shit around this game and I'm drankly bored of the lack of picks as AD ranged when I solo Q, considering you always end up getting 1 out of 3 champs (ashe-cait-vayne) as you have to pick stronger non team reliant. I'll go more deep into the thing later, now got a game[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=ZioSerpe] See you assume again that I suck at these champs because I complain, I obviusly own and play all of em (my main as AD ranged is ez and 2nd is kog)[/quote] If you 2nd main Kog'Maw, how exactly do you consider him not viable? - Mostly likely conclusion, you're not good with him. [quote=ZioSerpe]you went blantly offtopic because you assumed I was cryinga bout too many tanky DPSers,[/quote] I'm going to try a childish approach for this one... "You started it." [quote=ZioSerpe]yeah I might not be the best at AD ranged carries[/quote] WAIT A MINUTE. [quote=ZioSerpe]See you assume again that I suck at these champs[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]yeah I might not be the best at AD ranged carries[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]you assume again that I suck[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]I might not be the best[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]that I suck[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]I might not be the best[/quote] Didn't you just confirm my suspicions? You try to tell me you don't suck - Then say you're not very good at these champions. TROLLOLOLOLOLOL [quote=ZioSerpe]Yet I know my shit around this game [/quote] Your previous posts suggest otherwise. [quote]and I'm drankly bored of the lack of picks as AD ranged when I solo Q,[/quote] drankly is NOT a word - I'm going to [i]guess[/i] you meant "frankly" Rather then consider it a lack of picks, maybe YOU have a lack of experience - Try practicing those champions more - Even if it means losing a few games in Normal queue. Everyone has to start somewhere. [quote=ZioSerpe]considering you always end up getting 1 out of 3 champs (ashe-cait-vayne) as you have to pick stronger non team reliant. I'll go more deep into the thing later, now got a game[/quote] [[Urgot]] counters all 3 of those hard. [[Tristana]] works against Ashe and Caitlyn well. I'm not as familiar with Vayne, so I won't try to come up with another counter for her. Like I said already: You just lack experience and think you know it all. Well, you don't From my point of view - You just don't want to learn those other AD carries and want to hug Ashe, Cait, and Vayne tightly as the only ones you remotely know how to play.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]I've got to agree with Jun on this one - Kog Maw is one of the best (if not the best) ranged AD carries in the game right now - the other *really viable* ones being Urgot, Tristana, Caitlyn, Ezreal, Ashe and Vayne. Kog excels at having a mix of huge range, and consistently high damage throughout the game - early, mid game AND late game he tears through people, but he's made of soggy paper and has no escape mechanism. Vayne is pretty easy to counter, she's pretty bad in a lane (if you don't get hit by any Condemns and she's laning with a Taric or someone), try and shut her down then. Later on, get an Oracle's and just nuke her, she has a relatively small range.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@Xenasis: Ah, right. For a moment, I forgot that you're suppose to truly counter champions with other roles. Not straight-up same archetypes. P: Team game, not duel game. ^_^[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=JunSupport] [quote=ZioSerpe] See you assume again that I suck at these champs because I complain, I obviusly own and play all of em (my main as AD ranged is ez and 2nd is kog)[/quote] If you 2nd main Kog'Maw, how exactly do you consider him not viable? - Mostly likely conclusion, you're not good with him. [quote=ZioSerpe]you went blantly offtopic because you assumed I was cryinga bout too many tanky DPSers,[/quote] I'm going to try a childish approach for this one... "You started it." [quote=ZioSerpe]yeah I might not be the best at AD ranged carries[/quote] WAIT A MINUTE. [quote=ZioSerpe]See you assume again that I suck at these champs[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]yeah I might not be the best at AD ranged carries[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]you assume again that I suck[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]I might not be the best[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]that I suck[/quote] [quote=ZioSerpe]I might not be the best[/quote] Didn't you just confirm my suspicions? You try to tell me you don't suck - Then say you're not very good at these champions. TROLLOLOLOLOLOL [quote=ZioSerpe]Yet I know my shit around this game [/quote] Your previous posts suggest otherwise. [quote]and I'm drankly bored of the lack of picks as AD ranged when I solo Q,[/quote] drankly is NOT a word - I'm going to [i]guess[/i] you meant "frankly" Rather then consider it a lack of picks, maybe YOU have a lack of experience - Try practicing those champions more - Even if it means losing a few games in Normal queue. Everyone has to start somewhere. [quote=ZioSerpe]considering you always end up getting 1 out of 3 champs (ashe-cait-vayne) as you have to pick stronger non team reliant. I'll go more deep into the thing later, now got a game[/quote] [[Urgot]] counters all 3 of those hard. [[Tristana]] works against Ashe and Caitlyn well. I'm not as familiar with Vayne, so I won't try to come up with another counter for her. Like I said already: You just lack experience and think you know it all. Well, you don't From my point of view - You just don't want to learn those other AD carries and want to hug Ashe, Cait, and Vayne tightly as the only ones you remotely know how to play. [/quote] Lovely, you once again tried to make it sound like I said something I did not, gj idiot. I'm not a main AD ranged Carry in premades because I play with people who supposedly do that better or none of them is as good as jungling as me. Also for one that tries to correct my typos you suck pretty much at english, as I stated I main Ez and kog in that role, but they're picks I never do in solo queue because you need a good team and you can't always count on that. Is obvius that you're either blind or too stupid or too self centred to have an argument with, you're just trying to look smart, while failing at that, once again, that's not gonna get it done with me, you're a poor excuse of a troll atm. The fact I'm verastile and can play any role is just something you'll prolly never get, sad for you, so, so sad. Also gj on the tensolike quote, you look so cool [/sarcasm][/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=JunSupport] @Xenasis: Ah, right. For a moment, I forgot that you're suppose to truly counter champions with other roles. Not straight-up same archetypes. P: Team game, not duel game. ^_^ [/quote] Well, you can! As far as Vayne's concerned, grab an Oracle's late game and your AP carries will destroy her, though early game she will almost always be laning against another AD carry, and it's easiest to deny her there, and counter her late game before it begins![/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]That's my point Jun. They start low, hit 2.2k and everyone jumps on the OP wagon to learn their new flavor of the month OP high Elo champ. Yet the previous high Elo champs all said the champ sucked. Rain Man's teemo or WestRice's akali or Doublelift's Blitz (Blitz never really caught on though as an OP) are all good examples.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I love how this thread has basically turned into "Jun-yells-at-Zio-and-he-yells-back, time" *ahem* All AD carries are viable in their own right. [[Twitch]]/[[Twisted Fate]] are far less viable and stink in team fights but shine in the tower taking aspects. [[Ashe]] should not be an AD carry by her stats. At level 18, she has one of the lowest base AD's in the game. We force her to be in the AD carry role because of how hard that [b][i]ONE[/i][/b] attack hits. She can be shifted into support because of her utility and her ability to need very little farm but nobody wants to shift away from what's already working. [[Vayne]]/[[Caitlyn]] are both very strong picks and viable at almost any ELO. Strong duelists/kiters simply because of their range or, in Vayne's case, artificial range with [[Tumble]]+[[Condemn]]. [[Corki]]/[[Ezreal]] are both burst AD carries [i]and[/i] they work amazingly well in teamfights because of their AoE and re-positioning. [[Urgot]] isn't even listed as a carry. He's forced into that role and his true tag is "fighter." He's a strong initiator and can immediately force a squishy into his team. His shield and his slow help him get out safely. [[Kog'Maw]]/[[Sivir]] really are niche picks IMO. Both strong in their own rights but, need a competent player behind them. Kog's main source of damage is "right-click-to-win" but it puts him in a very vulnerable position unless you are building CDR on him. Sivir has the shortest range of any carry while also having the longest at the same time. She shreds teams apart while also being in the line of fire almost 80% of the time. [[Teemo]] isn't even classified as a carry. He's classified as support. What ever happened to supports sitting bot and getting no farm? I don't even know anymore. [[Miss Fortune]] is the most out-of-the-way pick you can get. Interesting utility in the slow, healing reduction and AoE on the ult. Her largest source of damage on a normal skill is basically a skillshot. Great mobility but, IMO, lackluster in anywhere other than teamfight utility. TL;DR: EVERY AD CARRY IS VIABLE IN THEIR OWN WAY. EDIT:Before you ask, no I'm not above 1200 ELO. I don't do ranked because it's kinda hard to carry with junglers when everyone is doing well. And I mean everyone.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@Lugignaf: [[Twitch]] is a good pusher? Lately, I've seen Twitch as still an excellent ganker and team-fighter. Oracle just hard-counters him to pieces - Like, he's screwed the moment he's caught, but if his team initiates first, he can still help wipe a team pretty effectively.[/quote]