Mages can only go support now....

[quote=Dyto]In a gut-wrenching turn of events Ive come to realize that mages are infact inferior in every role ( even support to some degree ) but that the best role they can reliably fit is support...[/quote]

[quote=Guoblide]Extremely debatable lol[/quote]

[quote=Dyto][quote=Guoblide]Extremely debatable lol[/quote] Not really... What are you trying to win with, with a mage in ANY role other than support? Early game? Mages are classicly terribly early game in most cases, not to mention ....the champions that go into these roles are even better early than mages are ..even when they are strong early. Mid game ? Ok sure yeah this is where mages shine mostly, but considering most mages will be absolutely punished early game in ALL the non support roles .... they're going to be coming from behind in every case, not only that .... again the champions they compete with for these roles are STILL better at this point of the game. Late game? Well this is beyond mage optimal playtime, they can still manage some good damage on squishies but bruisers and tanks mostly ignore mages completely by this point, I'll tell you who they cant ignore at this point .... those other champions that the mage competed with for a top tier position.... So then you're picking it to have magic damage on your team then eh? Well thats admirable I agree, truly though in most cases ( people are idiots that dont counter build anyway ) your team wont even notice the lack of magic damage as long as you still have a good mix of physical dps and physical burst damage, yeah the important thing isnt magic damage or physical damage ... the important part is dps or burst .... again .... typically ....the champions they compete in for those roles ...still do better ... at they typically have good DPS on top of burst to compete with the mages BURST only type play. No .... there's no debate, riot has even openly chided their own decision to add "AP" champions rather than just having attack damage and spell damage be completely separate things, also Riot has said in the past they intentionally keep mages weak because they fear an "AOE META" coming back ... meanwhile they dont care about the consistent assassin meta we've been left with .... Again no man .... I used to love playing mages too, but they just cant compete .... not only have they been left behind in previous major overhauls, the newest item change overhaul was a much bigger buff for champions they already competed with ( at a disadvantage ).[/quote]

[quote=Fruxo]Depends on the mage.[/quote]

[quote=Dyto][quote=Fruxo]Depends on the mage.[/quote] Errr yeah .... there are SOME mages that can manage despite the matchups ( the dps or mobile mages, cass, karth, ahri etc ) ... but again .... the champions they compete with still do better overall so ...why even pick them?[/quote]

[quote=Fruxo][quote=Dyto]Errr yeah .... there are SOME mages that can manage despite the matchups ( the dps or mobile mages, cass, karth, ahri etc ) ... but again .... the champions they compete with still do better overall so ...why even pick them?[/quote] Stat sites would like to disagree, there are multiple reasons to pick a mage lol.[/quote]

[quote=Dyto][quote=Fruxo][quote=Dyto]Errr yeah .... there are SOME mages that can manage despite the matchups ( the dps or mobile mages, cass, karth, ahri etc ) ... but again .... the champions they compete with still do better overall so ...why even pick them?[/quote] Stat sites would like to disagree, there are multiple reasons to pick a mage lol.[/quote] If its a "Winrate" statistic it means literally nothing, riot ensures that by artificially guiding games to a conclusion .... they have this warped sense of good matchmaking ....they think that matchmaking is best when it strives to keep you at 50%, so while this does to some degree mute the power of maining oppressively strong champions, it also muddies the water as far as any useful statistics derived from winrate.... Thats the trick they pull to convince people they have good balance ( they dont ) .... nearly every champion is at or near 50% winrate overall which seems like ( well duh that means they're balanced! ) but in reality, like I said, riot artificially guides games to a conclusion, they game the system to say who should have a greater chance to lose ( yes ...when you go on winning streaks riot tries to give you harder and harder games to win and vice versa if you lose a lot ) .... So yeah winrate statistics mean literally nothing .... which makes it REALLY hard to argue on statistics because ... like I said ... they literally make statistics moot[/quote]

[quote=Fruxo]It's not based on statistics. It's like I first said, it depends on the mage. Some mages are more favored towards support (e.g. [[lux]]) just like you said, that's true. But not all mages are supports. There are many mages that still stick to mid (their primary) and obliterate in their role despite assassins existing, it depends on the player, not the champion. Other mages such as [[syndra]] can even go support, mid and APC. This argument is quite irrelevant because all you're doing is taking a class and making a theory that they all suck and can only stick to one lane, but in reality that's not even true to begin with.[/quote]

[quote=Dyto][quote=Fruxo]It's not based on statistics. It's like I first said, it depends on the mage. Some mages are more favored towards support (e.g. [[lux]]) just like you said, that's true. But not all mages are supports. There are many mages that still stick to mid (their primary) and obliterate in their role despite assassins existing, it depends on the player, not the champion. Other mages such as [[syndra]] can even go support, mid and APC. This argument is quite irrelevant because all you're doing is taking a class and making a theory that they all suck and can only stick to one lane, but in reality that's not even true to begin with.[/quote] Again you're ignoring what im saying .... I said that even when they CAN perform these other roles ( other than support ) they're just so heavily outmatched at every point of the game by lane opponents you compete with, so why even take them there? Its not to win more obviously, and while I get it ....mages are fun to play ... they're sadly not fun to play WITH anymore, when the enemy has an assassin mid, bruiser top, top tier adc and you're stuck with a mage trying to keep up with them.... you remind me again how that felt, because 9 times out of 10, the mage will be the drag on the team if they're not just going support.[/quote]

[quote=Fruxo][quote=Dyto]Again you're ignoring what im saying .... I said that even when they CAN perform these other roles ( other than support ) they're just so heavily outmatched at every point of the game by lane opponents you compete with, so why even take them there? Its not to win more obviously, and while I get it ....mages are fun to play ... they're sadly not fun to play WITH anymore, when the enemy has an assassin mid, bruiser top, top tier adc and you're stuck with a mage trying to keep up with them.... you remind me again how that felt, because 9 times out of 10, the mage will be the drag on the team if they're not just going support.[/quote] So you mean to tell me that based on your own opinion, every mage is outmatched? what lol[/quote]