A way to fix LeBlanc(?)

[quote=TheKut]I think nobody can disagree that [[LeBlanc]] is crazy strong right now, and I was thinking; would it kill her if there was a slight delay before she could destortback? One of my main problems with her is her ability to safely engage, burst and then get back in a very quick succession. If there was maybe a 1,5 seconds delay before she could destort back to safety you could have some room to counterplay a little. But perhaps this would kill her, what do you think?[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]1.5s is way too long imo. Anyway personally I like that part of her kit. She's supposed to be The Deceiver, tricking people with her clone and W jukes. If they nerf her it should just force her to land more of her combo to burst people. Maybe longer cooldown on W so she's less safe but like I said, I think that's the most interesting part of her kit.[/quote]

[quote=Lady Amelyne]She can't really do that if you manage to target her with hard cc. True, she's very strong (which is obviously evident from her popularity) but by no means impossible to deal with.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]lb is alright atm, her only problem is that she can 100-0 you in less that a second even if you're remotely out of position. Position well and she's kinda fucked, especially if your support has good timing on their exhaust[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz]It's easy to predict her movement since W is basically a fast jump forward and can easily be countered with good timing if you have some hard CC on the team. [[Janna]], [[Thresh]], [[Blitzcrank]] etc. are really effective to shut her down when she use W. She snowballs but her late game is kinda bad compared to other APC.[/quote]

[quote=MrMad2000]I like to think of [[leblanc]] as I think of [[blitzcrank]] or [[veigar]] before their changes. Both champions had an ability which made them gimicky which made them rewarding to master. [[veigar]] had an instant Area of Effect stun which lasted longer than [[morgana]]'s [[dark binding]] and [[blitzcrank]]'s [[overdrive]] allowed him to chase, kite and roam super efficiently without any consequences. They took those two things away from those two champions and now they are seen as almost non-existently effective. The only two things that are keeping those champions alive is the Blitz [[rocket grab]] being a unique ability and [[veigar]]'s ability to farm infinite ability power and that his [[baleful strike]] can now stack twice in one cast. Removing [[leblanc]]'s W return pad, or giving it a delay removes this "gimicky" feature which makes her effective. She's meant to INSTANTLY blow someone up if you're out of position and then be a lot less useful for the next 10+~ seconds. She has one crowd control ability which is a skillshot that slows and situationally snares ([[ethereal chains]]). She only offers damage. She succeeds because has this gimick feature. Without it she would become pretty much the most useless Assassin because she wouldn't have a reliable escape and no one would be able to take advantage of her kit. She can also be super easily shut down. Skillshots can be aimed at where she'll land with [[distortion]] like a [[soraka]] E. ALSO A champ with no counterplay is [[vladimir]]. Make a topic about that guy... 0 Mobility but 5x the damage of [[leblanc]] :P[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=MrMad2000] A champ with no counterplay is [[vladimir]]. Make a topic about that guy... 0 Mobility but 5x the damage of [[leblanc]] :P[/quote] So [[darius]] has no counterplay?[/quote]

[quote=ThePreserver]Well, honestly [[LeBlanc]] can be taken down easily by two types of champions: High-CC champions and other high burst champions. [[Diana]] Can hit both clone and original in one shot if you're skilled, and use it for a free dash to keep up, while using the second dash to catch up and mow down. [[Blitzcrank]] is a nice little counter for her, just pull her into turret or team and knock her up, the few seconds that she's stunned is more than enough to delete her squishy self. [[Hecarim]]'s ultimate can hit both doppelgangers i believe. Any other champ that can CC as soon as she engages ([[Annie]], oh god [[Annie]]) is effective in countering her. [[Vladimir]] has never been a big deal for me, he just needs a champ that can keep up with him and return damage (like [[Diana]] or [[Katarina]] or even [[Fiora]]), and [[Darius]] is a brute but catching him after he misses his pull can be effective enough. In fact, you'd just need to make his exchanges not worthwile, i.e. do more damage to him during pulls than he does to you. I'm not sure which champs do this specifically since I don't top often, but it's doable. Also, [[Darius]], [[Pantheon]], [[Rumble]] and [[Tryndamere]] would like to have a word with [[Vladimir]]. What about [[Jax]] or [[Trynd]]? I feel like they're more broken than [[LeBlanc]], hell, even though I use [[Katarina]] a lot I can admit she's super broken.[/quote]

[quote=oreosauce]The return part of her W can be easily interrupted. Also, it's usually easy to predict when she's going to W. Being a Leblanc main, I'm constantly shocked nobody ever tries to aim their skillshot abilities toward my return pad , because that would be a lot more likely to hit, especially in the laning phase when you almost always return to your pad.[/quote]

[quote=Re4XN][[leblanc]] is so squishy that if 1,5s were required to distort back, she'd be dead. Any kind of hard CC beats her down pretty badly... just think about [[Annie]] like some mentioned. Her stun + burst shuts down [[leblanc]], she's just a doll in [[annie]]'s hands.[/quote]