Most Effective Items for Ranged DPS VS Tanks

[quote=Pwnzor1130]I have always wondered what builds were most effective builds on a ranged DPS against a tank, and [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/theorycrafting/fuck-health-regen-tanks-3119]this thread[/url] gave me a reason to run some numbers. Using Ashe as an example, I calculated the DPS against a Cho'Gath (with [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=82-65-80-61-76-57]this build[/url] and with no masteries or runes) with different Ashe builds. I did not count her ultimate (it could miss, hit another target, etc. while [[Volley]] is much easier to land, and will likely hit). I assumed all BloodThirsters were completely farmed. I assumed Ashe used these masteries and runes: [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=3-0-0-1-3-4-0-0-3-0-3-3-0-1&tree2=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-3-0-1-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0]masteries[/url] [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/rune-page-planner#&rune=300:9-254:9-267:9-259:3]runes[/url]. I also assumed that Ashe was level 18. These were the builds I used to calculate Ashe's DPS VS Cho'Gath. The builds are ranked in order of DPS (highest to lowest). I mixed in different flat ArPen items along with [[Last Whisper]] into as many of her core build items as possible to create these builds. This is not a complete list, but it should be enough to gain a general idea of what items to get on an Ashe-like ranged DPS against tanks. [[The Black Cleaver]] + [[Last Whisper]] + [[Infinity Edge]] + [[Phantom Dancer]] + [[mercury's treads]] + [[banshee's veil]] yielded 463.8472528 DPS [i](highest)[/i]. [[The Black Cleaver]] + [[the bloodthirster]] + [[Infinity Edge]] + [[Phantom Dancer]] + [[mercury's treads]] + [[banshee's veil]] yielded 424.35556 DPS. [[Last Whisper]] + [[Phantom Dancer]] + [[The Bloodthirster]] + [[Infinity Edge]] + [[mercury's treads]] + [[Banshee's veil]] yielded 423.1307611 DPS. [[The Black Cleaver]] + [[Phantom Dancer]] + [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] + [[infinity Edge]] + [[mercury's treads]] + [[banshee's veil]] yielded 408.81416 DPS. [[The Black Cleaver]] + [[Phantom Dancer]] + [[Sword of the Divine]] + [[Infinity Edge]] + [[mercury's Treads]] + [[banshee's veil]] yielded 378.125935 DPS. [[The Black Cleaver]] + [[Sword of the Divine]] + [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] + [[Infinity Edge]] + [[mercury's treads]] + [[banshee's veil]] yielded 354.32903 DPS. [[The Black Cleaver]] + [[Stark's Fervor]] + [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] + [[Infinity Edge]] + [[mercury's treads]] + [[banshee's veil]] yielded 322.37223 DPS [i](lowest)[/i]. What can we learn from this? We have learned that even with flat ArPen, Last Whisper is too effective against high-armor targets to pass up on Ashe-like carries. We have also learned that [[Sword of the Divine]] gives much more DPS than [[Stark's Fervor]] against high-armor targets on Ashe-like carries (probably against lower-armor targets as well, but I would have to calculate those numbers). [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] Is more effective than [[Sword of the Divine]] against high-armor targets on Ashe-like carries (again, probably more effective against lower-armor targets as well). Why not [[Madred's Bloodrazor]]? I did not count [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] due to the very high Magic Resist that most tanks will have. This cuts the effectiveness of [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] in half, or perhaps even less than that. [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] give AD and AS as its other offensive stats, [i] both of which[/i] need ArPen to become effective. Overall, this makes [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] a rather lackluster item on Pure AD Carries like Ashe.[/quote]

[quote=Adonikam]If you used zerks on the lowest DPS build what position would it hold then?[/quote]

[quote=Pwnzor1130]It would probably be higher, and it may or may not be above the second lowest DPS build. The only problem is that most tanks have CC, especially against a full tank team or a tanky DPS team. Thus, realistically, [[mercury's treads]] are a MUCH better item against tanks.[/quote]

[quote=Adonikam]With the new tenacity system you might be able to grab Zerks and the new AS/Crit chance item.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]This doesn't account for a lot of things. I think I need to graph this for a proper comparison. I was planning on doing it anyway.[/quote]

[quote=Pwnzor1130]Ya, I omitted a lot of possible items on ashe and builds on Cho'Gath for simplicity. However, I did take into account Crit Chance, Attack Speed, Attack Damage, the damage that Sword of the Divine's passive would yield, and the CD and damage of volley. Although realistically, I would probably take the second-highest DPS build for the lifesteal on [[the bloodthirster]]. The amount of health gained from auto-attacks would be considerable, and just [i]might[/i] give enough health to win a fight, while it would also deal more damage against squishier targets. Also, the patch preview was released while I was calculating the DPS of these builds. At first glance I would say that [[ninja tabi]], [[boots of swiftness]], or [[berserker's greaves]] might be viable boots on Ashe depending on the situation. The only problem with tenacity is that you would have to sacrifice quite a bit of damage and movement speed if you want to take it over [[Phantom Dancer]], although the loss of Attack Speed would be partially made up by the addition of [[berserker's greaves]]. [[Banshee's Veil]] as a defensive item is just too good to pass up, as it would give more MR, HP, and Mana than the new Mercury's Treads, while also having the chance to [i]completely[/i] negate one CC effect every time it is off cooldown. Overall, I think that replacing [[phantom dancer]] with the new AS/Crit item with the addition of [[berserker's greaves]] would sacrifice some movement speed and damage, but could possibly make up for it depending on the enemy team composition. Playtesting will need to be done for this, however.[/quote]