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Ok but even though 
Death Lotus is not fully area effect (it only hits 3 closest targets not all of them). Other thing is that rylai was working on 35% slow per target as it was considered as single target per dagger thrown (later they fixed it so applies 15%)
although it might be considered as area effect now if they implemented the area as possible range - so rylai would have the correct effect.
Death Lotus is not fully area effect (it only hits 3 closest targets not all of them). Other thing is that rylai was working on 35% slow per target as it was considered as single target per dagger thrown (later they fixed it so applies 15%)although it might be considered as area effect now if they implemented the area as possible range - so rylai would have the correct effect.
I would think of spell vamp classification, rather than rylai's.
Rylai's is specifically changed for some single target spells.
As a general rule, if the spell CAN hit an unlimited number of targets, then it will probably be mitigated by the new evasion mastery.
Rylai's is specifically changed for some single target spells.
As a general rule, if the spell CAN hit an unlimited number of targets, then it will probably be mitigated by the new evasion mastery.
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here's my thoughts. they've said that as it stands as one of the worst masteries in defense, anyway, so: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1489938 for proof. i just wouldn't get or worry about it.
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Well I looked at it through the old
Tenacity
(where that 4% actually did lower some damage - not much but for 1 point it was enough), but now that I look closely by math point it is kinda not worth those 3 points (different story if it was for 1 point)
Probably had those thoughts because I still didn't sleep and I'm almost like a walking (more like lying in bed) zombie.
I'm wondering if Karthus ult is modified by this new mastery...
should be, I wrote those spells/skills in first post because they are like hitting one target after another (not all at once) and thats the main reason I wasn't sure about it (and Karthus is definitely hitting all champions at once so it should be marked as area effect).
Tenacity
(where that 4% actually did lower some damage - not much but for 1 point it was enough), but now that I look closely by math point it is kinda not worth those 3 points (different story if it was for 1 point)Probably had those thoughts because I still didn't sleep and I'm almost like a walking (more like lying in bed) zombie.
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I'm wondering if Karthus ult is modified by this new mastery...
should be, I wrote those spells/skills in first post because they are like hitting one target after another (not all at once) and thats the main reason I wasn't sure about it (and
Karthus is definitely hitting all champions at once so it should be marked as area effect).
Your idea seems right, but think of skills like Swain's Ravenous Flock.
You'll hit multiply targets simultaneously, but IMO its not counted as aoe, is it?
Ravenous Flock.You'll hit multiply targets simultaneously, but IMO its not counted as aoe, is it?
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Your idea seems right, but think of skills like Swain's Ravenous Flock.
You'll hit multiply targets simultaneously, but IMO its not counted as aoe, is it?
You'll hit multiply targets simultaneously, but IMO its not counted as aoe, is it?
But it also depends, cause it might be implemented like
Death Lotus (still not sure), if range is considered as an area then it is area effect, otherwise its damage will not be lowered. I just simply over look it in the list, I'll add it now.Made a bit of calculations while updating my masteries
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Lets say that we have 4% damage reduction (1%
Honor Guard
- 2 mastery points; 3%
Evasion
- 3 mastery points;) and a skill shot that deals 500 damage (past MR reduction):
But if we take 5 points in other masteries we would have Vigor
(3 points),
Indomitable
(2 points) or
Tough Skin
(2 points) to choose from (took as example only lowering damage masteries):
Tough Skin
+
Indomitable
+
Vigor
single minion attack:
4 + 1 per 5 seconds = 5 HP SAVED // 1 point Vigor
2 + 3 per 5 seconds = 5 HP SAVED // no Tough Skin
Tough Skin
+
Indomitable
+
Vigor
minion group(6 minions not counting siege minion):
6x4 + 1 per 5 seconds = 25 HP SAVED // 1 point Vigor
6x2 + 3 per 5 seconds = 15 HP SAVED // no Tough Skin
Tough Skin
+
Indomitable
+
Vigor
champion attack (skill included):
2 + 1 per 5 seconds = 3 HP SAVED // 1 point Vigor
2 + 3 per 5 seconds = 5 HP SAVED // no Tough Skin
Honor Guard
- 2 mastery points; 3%
Evasion
- 3 mastery points;) and a skill shot that deals 500 damage (past MR reduction):
500 x 4% (area effect skill shot) = 20 HP SAVED
500 x 1% (not area effect) = 5 HP SAVED
500 x 1% (not area effect) = 5 HP SAVED
But if we take 5 points in other masteries we would have
Vigor
(3 points),
Indomitable
(2 points) or
Tough Skin
(2 points) to choose from (took as example only lowering damage masteries): Tough Skin
+
Indomitable
+
Vigor
single minion attack:4 + 1 per 5 seconds = 5 HP SAVED // 1 point
Vigor
2 + 3 per 5 seconds = 5 HP SAVED // no
Tough Skin
Tough Skin
+
Indomitable
+
Vigor
minion group(6 minions not counting siege minion):6x4 + 1 per 5 seconds = 25 HP SAVED // 1 point
Vigor
6x2 + 3 per 5 seconds = 15 HP SAVED // no
Tough Skin
Tough Skin
+
Indomitable
+
Vigor
champion attack (skill included):2 + 1 per 5 seconds = 3 HP SAVED // 1 point
Vigor
2 + 3 per 5 seconds = 5 HP SAVED // no
Tough Skin
So, as we can see
Evasion
is not that much worse than other damage lowering masteries in defensive tree
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I'm pretty sure that the abilities like
But what about abilities like
(well I have very big doubts that those skills are lowered)
Could someone make a list? As this will be very useful information for defensive tree builds.
EDIT: Ok, I'll make list of skills I'm sure and not sure that damage is lowered, for later disscussion.
AoE spell/skill list that I'm not sure:
Most of those skill are doubted because they hit targets one after another, so those are not pure area effect like the ones hitting multi targets at the same time in range, rest has comments en the side.