New soraka discussion and thoughts

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]what. why the hell would you get [[iceborn gauntlet]] on [[Soraka]]? .-. like I don't mean to be rude, but every time someone says something like that I just want to slam my head into a wall. buy useful items like [[Mikael's Crucible]]. Also [[ardent censer]] is still shit on [[Soraka]]. and [[ancient coin]] felt extremely shitty to me compared to [[spellthief's edge]] >->[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]what. why the hell would you get [[iceborn gauntlet]] on [[Soraka]]? .-. like I don't mean to be rude, but every time someone says something like that I just want to slam my head into a wall. buy useful items like [[Mikael's Crucible]]. Also [[ardent censer]] is still shit on [[Soraka]]. and [[ancient coin]] felt extremely shitty to me compared to [[spellthief's edge]][/quote] [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] makes it easier to land her stuff, and practically makes the snare guaranteed. It sounds weird, but it's worked :/ It obviously doesn't work on [[Master Yi]], but it can make an [[Udyr]] and [[Singed]] stop hard. [[Mikael's Crucible]] I haven't gotten the chance to use on her yet. [[Ardent Censer]] is still up in the air for me, and might even be dropped at this point. With how low her CD is, you'll be able to keep up the AS boost on multiple people indefinitely, but the range of her heal casting makes it hard to completely take advantage of in a combat situation. To each their own on the starting Gp5 item. Both certainly work and have their own advantages considering her new playstyle. I just didn't find too much success with [[Spellthief's Edge]] despite constantly getting my heals and poke from [Q]'ing.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]If you're using [[starcall]] properly [[Udyr]] will never get in range to do anything in the first place (it has 1000+ range and slows by 50% in the center at max ranks), but if you want something like that [[Frost Queen's Claim]], or even [[Randuin's Omen]] (if they're getting up in melee range), is a much better purchase on her overall. [[Sheen]] upgrades weren't good on [[Soraka]] when [[Starcall]] was on a ~2 second CD, and they're even worse now. Just because something works doesn't mean it's optimal. [[Mikael's crucible]] is really good on [[Soraka]], I suggest trying it. [[Ardent Censer]] is generally not a good purchase. The low CD on [[Astral infusion]] comes with a health cost, which makes it not as optimal as one would think given the amount of health you're freely sacrificing in a teamfight just to given an AS boost to multiple allies. [[Janna]] is probably the only support I'd even consider buying it on anymore.[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]If you're using [[starcall]] properly [[Udyr]] will never get in range to do anything in the first place. It has 1000+ range and slows by 50% in the center at max ranks. If you want something like that, [[Frost Queen's Claim]] is a much better purchase on her overall. [[Sheen]] upgrades weren't good on [[Soraka]] when [[Starcall]] was on a ~2 second CD, and they're even worse now.[/quote] [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] could keep someone CC'ed indefinitely, I've found success with it, especially when I've needed to protect my carry. I do need to try out [[Spellthief's Edge]] more, I only have 5 games with new [[Soraka]], so things are still in the experimental stage for me.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]In theory you could buy [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] on any support with vaguely low cooldowns for that reason, but that doesn't make it good. There are far better items that could be purchased instead. I've played [[Feral Flare]] [[Ravenous Hydra]] jungle [[Irelia]] successfully, does that make it optimal? no.[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu]While I think that it could be a great item I think there are better options for [[soraka]]. If I wanted more CC I'd go [[twin shadows]] and [[frost queen's claim]]. If I wanted damage I'd go [[morellonomicon]] and [[twin shadows]].[/quote]