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Wriggles....always Wriggles.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by MasterShorty » May 15, 2012 1:00pm | Report
I first started using Mobafire as a way to improve my game. I used it to try and get away from using the recommended items and focus more on building towards my team and champions strengths and weaknesses. My primary role in a game is jungle...and while looking over the guides for almost every single viable jungle champion, I have seen one thing that almost every single guide has in common: Wriggles Lantern. I dont understand why you would build a Wriggles Lantern on champions like Shen, or Udyr. These champions already have amazing sustain in the jungle (I mean seriously, Shen is almost full health after his first jungle route.)

So why does everyone think it necessary to build items like this on a Bruiser or Tank jungle?? I can understand wriggles on champions like Master Yi, Shaco, Tryndamere...in other words, champions that are *not* tanks or offtanks...
But yet time and time again I see guides that tell you to build Wriggles on Udyr, Shen, Cho'Gath, Blitzcrank, Mundo, Hecarim, Malphite, Olaf, Skarner, Trundle, and Warwick. All of these champions have good enough, to amazing early game to late game jungle sustain. Why would you waste so much money on an item like Wriggles that is clearly unneeded. I think people are under the impression that all junglers neeed Wriggles and that Wriggles is a jungle only item. I mean, its not even that effective from mid to late game. So why waste it???

Give me your thoughts. I am pretty confused right now...
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Phoenix0000ff » May 15, 2012 1:12pm | Report
Hey there.

I think it's because a majority of people who actually read guides may not have a lot of experience jungling. I know when I removed Wriggle's from my Twitch guide I fell 4% but I figured it's better to go down a hero.

Thing about wriggle's is that it's hardly ever a bad item. I will say though that sometimes farming and fast map objectives isn't your primary concern. It's also good vs AD heavy teams because it does have a little bit of armor.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by TheWeekndOVOXO » May 15, 2012 1:19pm | Report
^ Agreed.

Wriggle's is a good item aka bang for the buck. For its low value, it provides you faster jungle clear, baron, dragon, red/blue, lifesteal, armor, damage, and a free ward.

That is a free 75g every 3 minutes.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by IceCreamy » May 15, 2012 1:19pm | Report
It is cheap, grants a ward every 3 minutes and gives some small beneficial stats for any AD champ. However it is always situational, you shouldn't always buy it. I recommend listing it in your situational items, but not on your cheat sheet.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by gero yamaza » May 15, 2012 2:32pm | Report
I know at least whenever I end up jungling, if I do build a Wriggle's ever it's for the utility of it more so than the actual item.
    Having the free lantern is such a large plus (Counter-jungling, guarding your jungle, warding dragon, warding baron, warding a teammates lane if they can't, etc etc.), that right there is almost reason enough for building one early on in game.

    Another being the proc effect, it speeds up the jungle time substantially, and who doesn't like having free time to gank/counter-jungle/go b for item before jungle spawns again?

    Last thing that comes to mind is, for the amount of gold your spending, the overall stats it gives you are quite decent, so there really isn't a negative side to building it?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should/need to build it EVERY time you jungle, just those are my views on why it's worth building. I agree that certain champs don't need it/it's wasted gold to build for certain people, but like I said before, are you really wasting gold with all the benefits you get out of building one?

As a last note, you can always build one and then if you get to late game sell it and item swap to a better late game item (if that was your issue at least being certain champs don't need it at late game).
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Toshabi » May 15, 2012 6:40pm | Report
I like wriggles on my twitch. It means faster jungle clear time and warding for the solo lanes. You get your bang for your buck with it (armor, attack, lifesteal, free ward and a CoH mini smite)!
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by DuffTime » May 15, 2012 7:39pm | Report
Twitch is sort of the rare exception.

Wriggles is better on almost every single champion for jungling.

Tryndamere and Twitch are the only junglers I can think of who really don't even want Wriggles.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Luther3000 » May 15, 2012 7:45pm | Report
I don't think it's really necessary on Phoenix Udyr either, since he clears so fast already from R procs. I find just straight up getting Wit's End improves his ganks and clear times a lot more than Wriggle's does.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Searz » May 15, 2012 11:44pm | Report

I think it's because a majority of people who actually read guides may not have a lot of experience jungling. I know when I removed Wriggle's from my Twitch guide I fell 4% but I figured it's better to go down a hero.

Well, um.. Twitch should build Wriggle..
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Slappiz » May 15, 2012 11:53pm | Report

I dont understand why you would build a Wriggles Lantern on champions like Shen, or Udyr. These champions already have amazing sustain in the jungle (I mean seriously, Shen is almost full health after his first jungle route.)


First of all, Shen's jungle speed is really slow and that is probably the reason why some people build it and secondly Shen does not belong in the jungle imo.. (:
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