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League of Legends (LoL) Question: Am I doing something wrong (Raise ELO question)

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    Am I doing something wrong (Raise ELO question)

    You know the actual question: How to raise my stupid division?
    Currently silver 4, capped last summer at silver 2. after that I stopped playing due to limited time.

    What am I doing until now.

    Top:
    Fiora: I build her like Riven and always snowball really hard. Only play her when I am first pick and thus I am fully capable of banning what really hurts me.

    Olaf: I use him as the ultimate counter to every melee top laner.

    Shen: When my teams needs tanking and engaging potential


    Mid:
    AP Tristana: She is my main. I snowball really hard, but even so, I can't really carry 4 scrubs. She's too short for that.

    Lissandra: When they pick Zed :3 usually ends up really well.

    Master Yi: When I am like; let's carry everyone. Snowball but my team picks stupid stuff, with no CC so it is an actual defeat at late game.

    Yasuo: I have given them a few tries, but, I really suck with him.




    Jungle:
    Shaco: He is my go to pick. Gank as much as possible, set-up as many kills as I possibly can for my lanes. My team doesn't really appreciate my late game attempts to split-push.

    Volibear: When we need tank and I am jungle.



    ADC:
    Graves: My main adc, I usually go ham in lane and snowball hard in the mid game. However late game is a problem.

    Ezreal: When we have a poke team comp.



    Support:
    Lulu: I am really damn good at Lulu. I usually win with her.


    Problem is. Some of my picks even if extremely snowbally, can't really carry games. I am not the guy who just steals everything and doesn't let his team get any kills which results in late game defeats. When I try to complete my team, there is so much I need to complete (As a top lane main, I apply the 101 rule of top lane to pretty much any role I play). When we are back as a team, I am trying to find the best alternative ways to win, far from the typical "all mid, def-->ace-->push-->win" like split pushing. Also, my team doesn't appreciate my efforts to farm with a character that needs the farm :(

    P.S. I can play Jayce, Irelia and Ahri too but my mechanics with them are too dusty.


    Should I change my champion roster? Or maybe main a different role?

    P.S. I have a tank/bruiser background but I have come to realize that tanking can't get me out of silver (which is my ultimate gold).

    P.S.2 I refuse by all means to even think about the possibility of having reached my skill cap.

    I play football and soccer as a defender and I have a nearly destroyed right knee thanks to my muay thai training. How harder could be to overcome silver?
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    Janitsu (564) | January 9, 2015 3:09pm
    To raise Elo you should main one role and main 2 or 3 broken champions on that lane. Olaf, Shen, Lulu, Fiora, Tristana, Ezreal, Volibear, Shaco and Master Yi aren't really that strong compared to some other picks. For mids you want to consider someone like Yasuo, Zed and Syndra, for example. Top: Jayce, Riven, Maokai, Jarvan IV for example. ADC: Lucian, Graves, Corki. Support: Thresh, Leona, Janna and for jungle: Jarvan IV, Rengar, Rek'Sai.

    You should also focus on your comp. Strong early-mid game comp ( Corki, Leona, Syndra, Jarvan IV and Riven for example)? Abuse it. Try to end game as soon as possible.

    Focus on warding even if you are playing someone else than support. Also be aware of the gold and buffs drake gives. Getting the first dragon gives you a lead in the game if you are almost even with the enemy.

    You should also probably fix your builds (no offense - silvers can't usually itemize too well). Mobafire authors like joxuu, vynertje and luther3000 are great guide authors and I trust their skills as league of legends players with my whole heart. Other site is probuilds.net from which you can find more recent builds.

    Tanking can get you out of silver

    If you get an early snowball ABUSE IT LIKE A TRUE ****ER TRYHARD YOU *****

    seriously though, if you get early advantage and want to win, get fast objectives and start doing raids. That way your advantage increases and your team gains a lead as well


    EDIT: I am not saying that the champions I mentioned can't win, but they are rather hard to carry with and don't have as much utility/damage etc. as others do and therefore aren't as good for getting Elo as others might be
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    Janitsu (564) | February 1, 2015 9:44am
    Sigh, if you play broken champions well and take the advantage of their broken things you will quite likely win easier than playing an off-meta champion well. Please, argument properly.
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    FalseoGod (316) | January 31, 2015 4:33pm
    BTW if you're REALLY fed as Shaco lategame you can two-shot carries. Or threeshot. Deceive into triforce sheen+shyv proc + ravenous hydra proc and press E
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    GO Jump (5) | January 31, 2015 3:15pm
    Sigh, it's not about broken picks man, you will ALWAYS do better playing something you are comfortable with, then you will playing a broken pick.
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    Janitsu (564) | January 31, 2015 2:35pm
    Tell me, at which point did I say that playing off-meta champions will cause you to only lose and playing broken champions only causes you to win your games? I've only ssaid that it is easier to get higher Elo with broken picks.
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    GO Jump (5) | January 31, 2015 2:29pm
    Robertxlee got to challenger with urgot, your point is invalid.
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    Janitsu (564) | January 31, 2015 1:31pm
    Playing broken champs (especially playing them well) wins you games easier than playing with off-meta champions.
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    GO Jump (5) | January 31, 2015 1:17pm
    Did I say everything is wrong? I am sorry if you took it that way, but honestly, broken champs don't help you that much, and I think that starting out by saying your champion picks and position picking will make you win more is dumb.
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    Janitsu (564) | January 30, 2015 11:39pm
    The heck I am saying: I only mentioned that broken champions will help you raise Elo. Then there is a lot of information after it.
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    GO Jump (5) | January 30, 2015 8:43pm
    What the heck are you saying? To get high elo you don't main certain roles or play broken champs, you get good and carry, it's not that hard, you can even do it in the support role, just by being smart. Seriously. Just play what you like, play smart, check map often, if you look at map enough then you can see when your team starts to do something dumb, just tell them no with a simple spam of be careful pings. And if you are thinking "How do you look at map and still farm and get kills", I'll tell you how, get good. Focus objectives, gold is worth more than dragon stacks, unless it is first or fifth dragon stack. Don't get caught out, buy wards, not just so you can see if you are getting ganked, but also buy wards if you have an enemy in your lane that roams to other lanes a lot. Be the leader of your team, tell them scrubs what to do, and if it is smart they will listen, just don't tell them they are bad, or they will rage.
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    Embracing (353) | February 5, 2015 1:04pm
    Think actively, play smart, work to improve, and elo will come as a result : ^)

    Don't focus on runes, masteries, and builds too much. Go to probuilds.net, find a build and copy it. Their impact over the game is probably like 5~10% while smart decisionmaking accounts for probably 60~70%
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    SanatF1 | January 20, 2015 1:41pm
    The honest truth is that you are approaching your problem incorrectly. You think that a mere champ selection will cure your problems and you'll raise straight to Gold. Yes there are champs that are more suitable for elo climbing then others but that doesn't fix the bigger issue. You want to become a better/smarter player in general. It is true that maining a roll and have a smaller champ pool will help because it's easier to understand that particular roll in much greater detail along with said champs.

    But you want to learn your matchups, you want to learn how to take objectives, you want to learn shotcalling when your team needs it, want to learn vision and denying vision, want to learn how to trade, how to predict, understanding team comps, and also to raise overall personal mechanics.

    By you putting the blame on others and saying it's their fault you can't carry; you hinder your ability to grow by recognizing you have much to improve. I'm not saying that players are bad and can manage to make horrible plays, but if you didn't belong in that elo you would win more often then you lose--Ultimately climbing out of Silver.

    I know this because I too thought like this back when I was in Bronze. I then stopped viewing it as everyone else and really did work to get better via guides/streams/youtube videos and practiced smarter and mained Vayne. I went from Bronze in Season 3 to Platinum II in Season 4.
    Good Luck and hope you found this useful. I also have a Youtube Guide discussing this.
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    gLiTcHy | January 23, 2015 3:38am
    TY for that guide, It blew my mind... :D
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    utopus (313) | January 12, 2015 9:42am
    I was in the same situation that you were in last season. I was silver in Season 2, Season 3, and most of Season 4. When I was in silver last season, I played a lot of LeBlanc, and Lee Sin and kinda just stagnated in Silver 2.

    What I found was that people in silver are particularly bad at not taking free damage, and at taking/defending towers. I switched my main from Mid/jungle to mid/support. When I played mid, I played champions that took towers quickly, like Ziggs. When I played support, I made it as difficult as possible for my opponents to defend tower by getting good at champions that could:
    Catch opponents: Leona, Morgana, Blitzcrank, Thresh, Annie, Zyra, Sona
    or
    whittle opponents down: ( Karma, Zyra, Sona, Nami).

    Champions Listed first seem most effective in my eyes.


    Put a lot of emphasis on winning lane, and taking towers. Doing these can make winning a hell of a lot easier for you. When I spectate some games of my silver friends, I often PM them telling them that they lost this game because they could have/should have taken a tower at moment X and Y, and they lost this lane presence from this trade at moment Z.

    In silver, winning games is more often about punishing your opponent's mistakes, than outplaying them with your superior mechanics in a particular circumstance. It's really hard to punish your opponent's mistakes as a bruiser unless you have some mechanic that makes it really easy to catch your opponents, like vi's Assault and Battery, to name one.
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    Pentacrit (1) | February 11, 2015 4:10pm
    If you get very fed and snowbally and still lose often, you arent using your kills efficently enough.
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    crashstash5 (2) | January 18, 2015 6:47pm
    I would have to play with you or get a full game to see what your doing wrong. Other then that, try and get people that can push quickly in general as even if your team sucks you can stil get them fed through objectives. You need to take command of your team and make sure you are abusing every little thing the other team is doing.
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    Silesia Blaster (1) | January 10, 2015 10:37am
    As you're playing on eune server I know somewhat of meta you need.

    You say tanking won't get you from division. As someone who get from lower divisions I can say: Yes it may, but under some conditions.
    On lower divisions as bronze and silver people got tendency to going for bruiser/assassin type of champion and play match like the game could be won by taking more kills. Good answer for that playstyle is taking tanky champions. Rare seen - better, as people on this level don't bother or even know how to deal with such champion, especially if they got unique mechanic. Examples of such champions are Galio, Rammus, Malphite or Braum. Especially Galio in my opinion is good for that stage, as building him with simple Thornmail as 3rd item is extremely hard to counter if enemy team relies on hitting by auto attack. Also champions with strong cc are rewarding, as in silver from time to time you'll see Mercury's Treads, rarely Banshee's Veil and as I played in Gold division I didn't saw anyone building Mercurial Scimitar.

    The another thing is knowing what is important in match. Early game focus on farming unless you want to eat enemy laner - but if you're playing with champion scaling well into late game, farm is more important than eventual kills. When you're farming focus on last hitting not active pushing lane, as it makes you more vulnerable for ganks and that's easy way to feed. Don't think push is mark of how strong you dominate lane.

    I would not also recommend playing Master Yi on mid lane, as he's doing far better in jungle as he's scaling very well with Enchantment: Devourer. Also probably played he's rather unstoppable in late game if farmed well on jungle.

    Shaco playing in jungle in your division can't be rewarding in your division also. Ignoring fact he's one of hardest champions to learn teams on silver level won't be able to use advantage Shaco can give to team. He may do wonders properly played, but he's also hard team reliant in playing. On lower divisions it's better to mind your own business as you can't predict what team you get.

    I always say there are no better or worse champion, but I need admit in current meta there are some champions who has better synergy with currently items balance. Strongest adc now is Graves and Corki. From support champions Morgana, Braum and Janna. From mid laners I can see more often now ap Ezreal, Katarina and Zed. From junglers it would be Rek'Sai, Jarvan IV and Vi. From top laners Gnar and Maokai,.
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