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League of Legends (LoL) Question: Stacked Deck against Melee mid champions

Posted in Champions | Tags: Twisted Fate 3,431

  • Kingluis

    Stacked Deck against Melee mid champions

    Here is my question, for many people asking me why and for many people being somehow "impressed":

    In Twisted Fate...

    Is evolving Stacked Deck (E) over Wild Cards (Q) against Melee APC's (diana for example) and even spell ADC's (zed, wukong, lee sin, kha'zix...) a good thing?

    Or is it worthless/not that good?

    I rarely lose my lane with my TF, but everytime I come against melee champions like those examples above, I go for Stacked Deck over Wild Cards.

    I would like oppinions about this please. Ty.
  • Answers (3)

    Satella (177) | April 22, 2013 1:53pm
    Wild Cards does way, WAY more damage than Stacked Deck. Most champions won't let you constantly autoattack them to death so the bonus attack speed doesn't really increase your DPS against them. If you are worried about mana, learn to lock blue card and you will never go OOM as TF.
    Kingluis (8) | April 23, 2013 6:24am
    Thank you Kinen and Satella, question solved!
    Satella (177) | April 22, 2013 3:42pm
    Mobafire's tooltip for Pick A Card is wrong. The cooldown is actually 6 seconds from when you throw the card. I'm not an editor so I can't fix it, but if somebody who can is able to get to it, I'd appreciate the change.
    Kinen (27) | April 22, 2013 2:12pm
    Huh, Satella beat me to the chase :3
    Kinen (27) | April 22, 2013 2:12pm
    It's only 15% CDR. Nearly half the limit, but just 0.75 s off of Pick A Card. It will only marginally decrease your window of vulnerability with Pick A Card on CD, and only prove to give you that extra stun you need in the most close of situations. Superior damage from Wild Cards should serve to harass and dissuade the enemy from engaging, or else give you a better chance of turning an engagement in your favour.
    Satella (177) | April 22, 2013 2:07pm
    Remember that against skilled opponents, you won't often get an opportunity to actually land your combo. No decent opponent will let you damage them as soon as your skills come off cooldown, so more often than not the 15% CDR goes to waste because the opportunity to attack your enemy doesn't come up in the time you saved.

    So in that vein, I would vastly prefer doing 400 damage when I get a good initiate on the enemy instead of doing 200 damage but having my skills come off cooldown 0.9 seconds faster than usual.
    Kingluis (8) | April 22, 2013 2:00pm
    The mana is not what worries me. But if you say that its not worth it because Stacked Deck deals less damage, I ask you another question. You know Stacked Deck extra passive also has cooldown reduction my friend :D?

    May be good to have extra cooldown reduction against bursty melee champions like diana = more easy to pick Stun a Card with such cooldown.

    So I still think stacked deck has something to prove :D

    (I am going to try Wild Cards next time)
    Aseafy (25) | April 22, 2013 8:25pm
    The problem with stacked deck is you have to get in range for an autoattack. Most mid laners, if not all, have an ability which can hit you for more damage if you get in range. Even when you hit a gold card, you can only throw 1 autoattack before they can damage you back. You will lose trades pretty hard. Wild cards, in comparison, can be thrown at a huge range and are almost guaranteed to land if you hit a gold card. They deal more damage than stacked deck + autoattack damage.

    Next, Stacked deck relies on autoattacks. This means you need to keep using autoattacks consistently when you are fighting, which cuts down on your ability to kite like you could with wild cards. Unless you buy attack speed items, stacked deck has a 4-6 second cooldown for a weak single target burst. Not to mention a hit from wild cards still deals more.

    Stacked deck is also very predictable in lane, as there are visible cards floating around your champion. People are not going to get in range for your autoattack when they can see you have stacked deck, and you cannot even zone with it because you need to last hit.

    Ganking is twisted fate’s strength around early-mid game. Late game all your skills will be maxed anyways, so we can ignore that. Maxing stacked deck means that you have to attack 2-3 times before hitting your ultimate to gank, which can make a huge difference. If you gank without stacked deck up, your damage takes a huge hit as you have wild cards at level 1 or 2, and pick a card at level 1. This means you are simply a gold card gank bot, when you could stun them and do great damage at the same time.

    These are the main reasons maxing stacked deck is not as viable. However, you do bring up a point earlier saying that maxing stacked deck might be better against melee champions. Here’s why that’s wrong. Sure, you get free harass with autoattacks. Free damage is great and all, but if you are against a melee champion, you can simply land a gold card and hit them with wild cards. That’s still free damage. More free damage in fact.
    Kingluis (8) | April 23, 2013 6:23am
    nicely explained aseafy, +rep

    I only didnt agree with the "and you cannot even zone with it because you need to last hit." (line 14), because you can still be able to use blue card to last hit minion without wasting Stacked Deck :D

    Yours and Satella explanation made it clear. Thank you, this question is solved.
    IAmByakuya (82) | April 22, 2013 2:08pm
    Just get a Lich Bane, only AA you should be worried to use with TF
    Kingluis (8) | April 23, 2013 6:19am
    I never, ever ever ever ever ever go Lich Bane as first item, ever ever ever. So saying to go for Lich Bane at laning phase makes no sense :-/
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