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But yes, you share my point/perspective. A "broken item" for "broken champions" isn't exactly a sufficient answer when the removal of the item at hand is affecting a very, very large portion of the ap mid laners in the game.
I'd like to see some of the people who wholeheartedly support this change provide some sort of context on their reasoning because as it is now, especially in this fragile time frame, the removal of the item is nonsensical, not thought out and quite frankly a stupid idea.
But yes, you share my point/perspective. A "broken item" for "broken champions" isn't exactly a sufficient answer when the removal of the item at hand is affecting a very, very large portion of the ap mid laners in the game.
I'd like to see some of the people who wholeheartedly support this change provide some sort of context on their reasoning because as it is now, especially in this fragile time frame, the removal of the item is nonsensical, not thought out and quite frankly a stupid idea.
Would it help if I said every champion that has DFG as a core item is getting compensation? Yes, Ahri and Veigar buffs have been confirmed by Riot themselves, and there's surely more to come.'
If a champion doesn't end up getting any compensation, then chances are, they're probably already strong as is.
I could spend a lot of time explaining why I support this change, but I probably won't be saying anything that hasn't been reiterated here.
Ahri and Veigar buffs have been confirmed by Riot themselves, and there's surely more to come.'If a champion doesn't end up getting any compensation, then chances are, they're probably already strong as is.
I could spend a lot of time explaining why I support this change, but I probably won't be saying anything that hasn't been reiterated here.
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I don't know, something about the part where they said
IF WE REMOVE DFG WE CAN FOCUS ON AHRIS ABILITY TO KITE AND DO NONASSASSINY STUFF LIKE THAT didn't make a lot of sense.
But at least they nerfed Syndra again!
Right guys!
IF WE REMOVE DFG WE CAN FOCUS ON AHRIS ABILITY TO KITE AND DO NONASSASSINY STUFF LIKE THAT didn't make a lot of sense.
But at least they nerfed Syndra again!
Right guys!
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imo DFG, is an item, that has little to no counter play, its a great item dont get me wrong, but in general, its just not that great for the way league is going. Imo, they should add something, or buff, something to or equal to Botrk. Like Torment. It could be the new Botrk for mages. Its weak atm, but since they are removing DFG they might as well buff that thing.
If u were ahead, DFG would ****ing rape u if u were behind and their was nothing u could do about it but cry. With this change, it makes snowball a little bit smaller, and easier for people to deal with. Granted, I think they should add something equal to the AP of DFG, something that would = 120AP. Cause without it, some champions, will hurt from not having that item in the later stages of the game. It forces them to buy another Hourglass, or heck another deathcap. (I'm talking 6 item mages btw.)
Tl;Dr? They need to make something compensate for this. Or buff some other item, but i think this is a good move by riot.
If u were ahead, DFG would ****ing rape u if u were behind and their was nothing u could do about it but cry. With this change, it makes snowball a little bit smaller, and easier for people to deal with. Granted, I think they should add something equal to the AP of DFG, something that would = 120AP. Cause without it, some champions, will hurt from not having that item in the later stages of the game. It forces them to buy another Hourglass, or heck another deathcap. (I'm talking 6 item mages btw.)
Tl;Dr? They need to make something compensate for this. Or buff some other item, but i think this is a good move by riot.
They might as well take LeBlanc out of the game while they're at it. Seriously, are they going to make her a mage too?
LeBlanc out of the game while they're at it. Seriously, are they going to make her a mage too?
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Jimmydoggga 2.0 wrote:
I don't know, something about the part where they said
IF WE REMOVE DFG WE CAN FOCUS ON AHRIS ABILITY TO KITE AND DO NONASSASSINY STUFF LIKE THAT didn't make a lot of sense.
But at least they nerfed Syndra again!
Right guys!
IF WE REMOVE DFG WE CAN FOCUS ON AHRIS ABILITY TO KITE AND DO NONASSASSINY STUFF LIKE THAT didn't make a lot of sense.
But at least they nerfed Syndra again!
Right guys!
It does make sense.
Ahri was nerfed to her current state because of the sole existence of DFG.Let's think of it this way. Let's say that each champion had a $100 budget in which they can spend for their overall power. For every trait added to a champion that contributes to their overall power, some money has to be spent out of the budget in order to compensate for this. Ideally, every champion in the game spends exactly $100 on their power budget.
The 15% damage amplification from DFG takes up a significant amount of her budget. She was nerfed to her current because the sole existence of DFG made her go over this imaginary budget, and cuts elsewhere had to be made so the budget isn't exceeded. By removing DFG, suddenly,
Ahri has all this free power in which she can invest into other parts of her kit because she can. she suddenly has all this free 'money'.As mentioned above, the base damages in
Ahri's kit is centralised around the fact that she gets a 15% boost from DFG. DFG is, in a way, (**** this is cliche) a chain that restricts her overall power.Now, why they would buff her magey aspects also makes a lot of sense. Riot enjoys accentuating the unqiue aspects of a champion. Where
Lucian was previously a long range lane bully, he was changed to accentuate the mobility aspect of his kit. It's these unique niches that really make champions unique, because ideally, League of Legends should be a game with numerous variables, including when you should pick a champion based on their specific niches. Ahri is one of the only champions that doubles up as a mage and an assassin. The other mage/assassin, LeBlanc, has such high single target damage that she's pretty much solidified as an assassin, but Ahri has the utilities in her kit which allow her to potentially function as a mage.Only issue is that her assassin route is strictly better, and this is mainly due to DFG.
The compensations given, as written in the Patch Forecast, will not only give her some benefits to her damage to allow for her assassin route to do well (
Charm is a free DFG afterall), but will also allow her other alternate playstyle to be viable depending on the situation.utopus wrote:
They might as well take LeBlanc out of the game while they're at it. Seriously, are they going to make her a mage too?
LeBlanc out of the game while they're at it. Seriously, are they going to make her a mage too?First of all,
LeBlanc doesn't need DFG to function. DFG adds nothing but added reliability to her ridiculously strong burst pattern, and she's still an assassin without it, much like Ahri.Second of all,
LeBlanc has never really been associated as a traditional mage, whereas at one point, Ahri was. If anything, Ahri's assassination focus was more of abuse of a broken mechanic that allowed her to be strong.While I think
LeBlanc is plenty strong without DFG and doesn't need compensations, if they do want to help drive her unique niches, then it would most likely be based around extra deception centred around Distortion and Mirror Image, as well as creating some different combos which can allow an assassin to deal with different situations, such as peeling herself off if she's in a bad spot when flanking, or added mobility to allow for more movement around the back lines.Being an assassin with a lot of damage isn't a unique aspect. All assassins have very high damage. But what can separate these different assassins is the unique areas in which these different assassins excel at and create diversity in selections depending on the situation.
HiFromBuddha wrote:
Would it help if I said every champion that has DFG as a core item is getting compensation? Yes, Ahri and Veigar buffs have been confirmed by Riot themselves, and there's surely more to come.'
If a champion doesn't end up getting any compensation, then chances are, they're probably already strong as is.
I could spend a lot of time explaining why I support this change, but I probably won't be saying anything that hasn't been reiterated here.
Ahri and Veigar buffs have been confirmed by Riot themselves, and there's surely more to come.'If a champion doesn't end up getting any compensation, then chances are, they're probably already strong as is.
I could spend a lot of time explaining why I support this change, but I probably won't be saying anything that hasn't been reiterated here.
Oh give me a break... First they nerf everything about mage ahri, change her charm and numbers so she basically becomes an ap assassin and then remove dfg to make her back in to a mage without shifting back her numbers and removing the amp from charm, effectively putting her in some sort of stupid in between position of a backline mage with assassin tools which will either end up being way too strong or way too weak with no way to balance it... Make up your mind. Do you want ahri to dash around teamfights and poke with her Q, going in for cleanup kills after targets have been whittled down or do you want her to use her superior mobility and long range cc tool to catch and kill people out of position? She can't do both. She'll either be too weak at either to justify being picked over champions who excel in 1 of those things or too strong at both and become dominant...
The "I got oneshot out of nowhere" argument is absolute ****. If you play against an assassin you have to be wary of your positioning or you will get your face melted. If you play as an assassin you have to be very opportunistic and mindful of your timing or you will 1, end up without a kill and 2, get your face melted.
Leblanc usually has to use her dash to get in range in the first place, what kind of risky plays do you expect from her? Walk up to people and just hope they remain still long enough so you can use w for damage?
"Some are strong enough that losing dfg is a healthy nerf" Hahahaha... you ****ing suck riot and so do your arguments. "losing dfg" they say, as if it was an integral part of their kit to the point that it seems that they were designed around it. OH WAIT! Woopsie.
EDIT: I'm reading through the comments and while agree that syndra will be more or less fine, Leblanc fine without dfg? Really? Doesn't it get, like, impossible to do **** mid to late game if their adc is protected well? I mean, if you can't kill them in 1 combo without using your dash to do damage can't they just flash away, dash away etc? If you can't kill them quick enough without a margin of retaliation won't you just get stunned and die?
Either make her more deceptive and make her damage more conditional and comparable to her current dfg burst (full combo including w) or let her keep her ability to straight out oneshot people (by providing a boost in her scalings/damage to compensate for dfg) or at least let her force an adc/mage out of the fight WITHOUT having to use her dash
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Edit 2: Kat also fine? No. Kat needs buffs. Her ultimate damage and cd was nerfed which made players opt for dfg to get around the loss of burst so they can get their resets, and (now more important due to the nerfs) reduced cd on ult. If you're gonna remove the only item which provided a huge amount of AP, CDR and Burst (which are all characteristics kata needs) you need to revert the last nerfs at the very least.
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They don't even PLAN to add a 120 ap alternative unless they deem it necessary? WHAT THE ACTUAL FLYING MOTHER OF ****? So, late game ap carries are supposed to buy two Hourglasses/Deathcaps?
Their compensation better be good because nerfing 30~ champions at once right before season starts is a really bold move
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