Vynertje's Support AMA and advice thread

[quote=Vynertje]Will answer your questions in order: [quote=OTGBionicArm]Ok, new question; http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1942840469/40916318?tab=stats This game, we were horribly outcomped I think, and any team fight would have resulted in death. I focused my entire efforts into making the map a place Ahri and lee could get picks. Due to my efforts we got 6 total dragons and 2 barons, but I feel like I couldn't actually get into many fights to get assists. I was mainly a vision bot and taxi service and savior via devour. Do you feel I could have done any more than I actually did here?[/quote] Only thing I can point out is that you have the lowest kill participation of your team, so that makes me wonder if you're unable to combine warding with sticking with your team and making plays happen. Warding a lot is good, but your KP makes me think you focussed on that a little bit too much. It's hard to combine them, but should be feasible regardless: it's mostly a matter of warding the relevant areas of the map. If you do that, you'll also be close by if something happens. I didn't see the game so I can't tell you with 100% certainty if that's indeed what you're doing wrong though. I also think I would've gotten Zeke's here (before finishing FOTM and possibly even before finishing Locket, this considering Liss/Ziggs looked quite far behind). [quote=Re4XN]I know this might sound kind of dumb, but what is your position on [[shen]] support? I have only tried this with a Kalista ADC and would like to know what you think about it. The nurf to his Q might have made this question irrelevant, tho...[/quote] It's decent but only if you're using your ult pro-actively in map plays. You can't just sit back and do nothing and wait for something to happen. If you do wait, you'll often find yourself lacking a window to engage (e.g. your ADC being pressured bot lane) In general I regard it as a high-Elo thing and especially suited for ranked 5's, not as much for solo queue because of the teamplay it requires. Shen top is a bit easier in that regard as you'll have two global spells so it isn't as easy to get punished for TP'ing to a lane. [quote=embracing] And @ Vyn: are u willing to come play ranked with me in NA? cant find bot lane duo to practice any role :([/quote] Uhm well I would say yes, but there are a couple of issues you'd need to work around: * I don't have an NA account and I'd need a good support champion pool to pick from with matching runes/masteries. The account would also have to be somewhat high-rated because otherwise you can't play duoq. * I'm quite busy with Uni/other IRL stuff and most of the time I spend gaming is with friends so that doesn't leave as much time to play with you as you may have wanted * You'd have to play at EU friendly times ;) So if you're willing to work around that, sure ;) [quote=parrot6632]what about sion support? he has good peel and tankiness[/quote] I hope this is a joke, because so is Sion support :^) He offers nothing you'd look for in a support, and his 'good peel' is actually terrible.[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha]Actually, I remember playing with a Sion support once when climbing some time last season., and it was by far the most irritating support I've ever had to play with. Sure, his CC is top notch if you can find a way to hit it and his in lane poke is actually really good, but he's definitely much better suited for other lanes and there are much better champions suited for support. The irritating part came when Sion started poking. You need minions to poke, and as an ADC, having to account for your support blowing away the minions you're trying to last hit or flat out just killing them and pushing the lane was incredibly annoying. Please, be nice to you ADC and don't play Sion support.[/quote]

[quote=Re4XN]I used to play a lot of [[sion]] and I was bored of top/jungle, so I went full retard and went Full AP Sion Support. It worked out very well for our lane, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone xD[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Vynertje] Only thing I can point out is that you have the lowest kill participation of your team, so that makes me wonder if you're unable to combine warding with sticking with your team and making plays happen. Warding a lot is good, but your KP makes me think you focussed on that a little bit too much. It's hard to combine them, but should be feasible regardless: it's mostly a matter of warding the relevant areas of the map. If you do that, you'll also be close by if something happens. I didn't see the game so I can't tell you with 100% certainty if that's indeed what you're doing wrong though. I also think I would've gotten Zeke's here (before finishing FOTM and possibly even before finishing Locket, this considering Liss/Ziggs looked quite far behind). [/quote] Right, that game. I think the issue was that almost every fight was a small skirmish where Ahri/Lee/Fiora caught someone. Every full scale team fight we lost (Due to our collective lack of armor to [[Draven]] and [[Caitlyn]]'s rather poor positioning). During those small skirmishes, I was always too slow to actually reach anyone and collect some assists (I even run MS quints on TK!). While I feel like I ultimately set the three up for victory with good ward coverage, perhaps you're right and I was far too focused on warding.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]It's not a matter of focussing too much of warding, it's a matter of choosing the right moments to focus on warding. In theory, you only have to go out ward every 3 minutes which then leaves at least two minutes to fight. If you time this correctly you should never miss out on an important fight.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Ahh, I've been like, trying to lead my team's path with wards. Should I not do that?[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Don't know what you mean by "lead my team's path with wards", but what you're generally supposed to do is try and figure out the important areas in the game (points of contention, i.e. dragon, baron) and ward those, plus warding your flanks and if possible, ahead, when you're grouping/pushing as a team.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Vynertje]Don't know what you mean by "lead my team's path with wards", but what you're generally supposed to do is try and figure out the important areas in the game (points of contention, i.e. dragon, baron) and ward those, plus warding your flanks and if possible, ahead, when you're grouping/pushing as a team.[/quote] I mean to try to ward and deward through the jungle with my team following and see if we can make picks, generally.[/quote]

[quote=Guercino]Could you give an overrall rating of these three supports, Tahm-Kench, Braum and Morgana ? You know which one is currently the most useful and such...[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Guercino]Could you give an overrall rating of these three supports, Tahm-Kench, Braum and Morgana ? You know which one is currently the most useful and such...[/quote] Braum is god tier, Morgana is mediocre unless you're playing vs the likes of Leona, Tahm Kench is overall decent but I see very little of him being played so it's hard for me to judge[/quote]