Has anyone seen VideoGameDunkey's farewell...

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Dunkey is getting unbanned in two days time :| The POOR SOD[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha][spoiler=Another unintentionally long post] [quote=Xiaowiriamu]Man your arguing with me for no reason now...[/quote] This is a forum which encourages discussion. Different opinions drive a discussion, and if you feel as if every person trying to address points that do not agree with yours is a person trying to attack you with an argument, then I feel you miss the purpose of this forum. To claim it is for no reason further accentuates how I feel you fail to grasp the concept of a discussion, as the sole reasoning for what you see as a mindless quarrel is because I wanted to have a discussion with you. [quote=Xiaowiriamu]Do you even really read my posts?[/quote] I have read your posts, and I have no idea what would indicate otherwise. Everything I said addressed everything that was quoted. There's nothing to invalidate about my argument in this sense. [quote=Xiaowiriamu]I can't be bothered making elaborate post about this anymore... [/quote] Shame. [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 1. In your original post you stated that the given scenarios do not happen. I replied that they do because it happened to me... see the little details here? Supplement and evidence. End of story.[/quote] And if you had interpreted what I wrote with the same amount of effort I put into it, you would know I said that if we're using anecdotes as concrete evidence, then I would say they don't happen because they don't happen to me. Do you see how ignorant that sounds? Saying it's a serious issue because it happens to me and saying it isn't an issue at all because it doesn't to me are both just as bad as each other. Like I said clearly in the post, we need to have a grasp of both sides in order to form an accurate opinion. [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 2. I never set a specific "frequency" on how much the given scenarios occur, they were simply issues I've experienced, and I'm sure others have too. [/quote] And I acknowledged that, but I once again said that if they do not occur often, then they aren't issues, they are merely one-off scenarios that may occur. Complaining about rare occurrences isn't an issue with the playerbase, and rather an issue with one's own luck or fortitude. Furthermore, I once again never said you set a specific frequency, but saying that it affects a surprisingly large amount of people, all of which with no evidence, something you prided yourself on with first topic, is giving us a general frequency of how often it occurs. I never commented on a specific frequency. [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 3. Thanks for the definition of extreme cases, but I actually did refer in the commencing post they are rare, just the wording I chose was poor. [/quote] You literally just said you didn't refer to a frequency in your previous point. One of these has to be incorrect, and it is this one. Nowhere in your original post did you say it was a rare occurrence, which is especially odd that you say you did say it was a rare occurrence considering how you were previously saying that it affects a surprisingly large amount of the playerbase. [quote=Xiaowiriamu]I guess the wording is really killing you... in both my posts.[/quote] Perhaps some of your ideas are crystal clear in your head, but if what you write down doesn't come off as what you're actually thinking or is unclear, then you can't expect a person to rebut based on what you're thinking and then blame them for being unable to correctly perceive what you wrote in your eyes. [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 4. Please, you know damn well I didn't directly say those scenarios were common or even made them out to be, they're simply a list of problems I've experienced. Again I guess the wording is killing you.[/quote] Once again, like I've said before, I acknowledged the fact that you didn't say they were common, but I clearly said that they wouldn't be issues if they're not commonplace. If what you're saying is that these are simply scenarios that can potentially happen, but only happened once or twice in however long you've been playing the game for, I'd imagine for almost 5 years, then they're not something that's a detrimental part of the game or worth pointing out. That would be more akin to you telling us this crazy story that happened to you around the fireplace that would never happen again in a million years, rather than a factual piece of evidence that you would bring into a debate. [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 5. "explicitly saying in your original post that you can get banned for those scenarios" again wording is killing you, I even clarified it was a separate point but you still like to think I explicitly stated you get banned for them. Why do you not see in my original post, unedited, that I stated "get reported" etc, and only for scenario 4 I said "reported and banned"...Com'on now. The fact you get banned for pathetic reasons was a separate point.[/quote] I understand you clarified that they're two different arguments, but you can't just say that they're two different arguments when the original suggests otherwise. There's nothing that suggests they aren't linked other than you saying they aren't. You can't conceive a child, have it end up being super ugly and then say he's not your son. Perhaps an extreme of an analogy, but it contains a similar point. [quote=Xiaowiriamu]6. "...and that being banned for those scenarios are the real issue" nope.[/quote] Once again, you can't write something, have it be unclear for interpretation and then say it's the reader's fault for not getting what you're thinking. If the two people that addressed your point directly or indirectly thought you were saying otherwise, then I think that would be an indication that it should have been worded better. While you acknowledge that the wording wasn't the best, pinning the blame upon me for not reading carefully like how you did at the start shows that this expression was insincere. In fact, it has become genuinely insulting that you claim I haven't carefully read through your murky words, despite me having done so and which I believe was indicated by the fact that I addressed relevant points as well as gave justification for a majority of my points as to why I wrote so based on what you said. And in response to that, you churn out a half-assed reply, of which you yourself admit to doing, of which shows indications that it was written after a skim through the original piece that is addressed. Despite all these conflicting ideas, I think there is something that we are both in mutual agreement with; that it was the fault of the opposing party's misinterpretation that caused aggression within this otherwise casual debate. I will apologise on my behalf for starting the aggression in my previous post. [/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Xiaowiriamu][quote=HiFromBuddha][spoiler=Another unintentionally long post reply] [quote=Xiaowiriamu]Man your arguing with me for no reason now...[/quote] This is a forum which encourages discussion. Different opinions drive a discussion, and if you feel as if every person trying to address points that do not agree with yours is a person trying to attack you with an argument, then I feel you miss the purpose of this forum. To claim it is for no reason further accentuates how I feel you fail to grasp the concept of a discussion, as the sole reasoning for what you see as a mindless quarrel is because I wanted to have a discussion with you. [color=#ff0000]You're arguing with me for no reason, I don't need you to give me an explanation on what this place is we're typing on and what a discussion is, you're clearing missing every point i'm making. I mean in my eyes this is our argument:[/color] [color=#ff0000][/color] [color=#ff0000]"i like bread"[/color] [color=#ff0000]- no you don't[/color] [color=#ff0000]"Yes i do"[/color] [color=#ff0000]- no[/color] [color=#ff0000][/color] [color=#ff0000]See where I'm coming from? You're basically adding more fuel to a already dampened fire, what do you exactly want from me?[/color] [color=#ff0000][/color] [quote=Xiaowiriamu]Do you even really read my posts?[/quote] I have read your posts, and I have no idea what would indicate otherwise. Everything I said addressed everything that was quoted. There's nothing to invalidate about my argument in this sense. [color=#ff0000]See below[/color] [quote=Xiaowiriamu]I can't be bothered making elaborate post about this anymore... [/quote] Shame. [color=#ff0000]I re-edited my post a while ago, I think you were posting or making your post as soon as i posted. I thought it'll be unfair not making a better reponse.[/color] [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 1. In your original post you stated that the given scenarios do not happen. I replied that they do because it happened to me... see the little details here? Supplement and evidence. End of story.[/quote] And if you had interpreted what I wrote with the same amount of effort I put into it, you would know I said that if we're using anecdotes as concrete evidence, then I would say they don't happen because they don't happen to me. Do you see how ignorant that sounds? Saying it's a serious issue because it happens to me and saying it isn't an issue at all because it doesn't to me are both just as bad as each other. Like I said clearly in the post, we need to have a grasp of both sides in order to form an accurate opinion. [color=#ff0000]I understood your point clearly, but you've missed mine again it seems. Heres how our argument seems to me again: "I got struck by lightning, i don't like lightning anymore" - Yeah but thats your experience not mine, i didn't get struck by lightning therefore your point is invalid and not true. Although it can happen I never expressed it was a serious issue because it only happens to me, hmm now i'm starting to think yuo really didn't read my post - see where im coming from now? [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 2. I never set a specific "frequency" on how much the given scenarios occur, they were simply issues I've experienced, and I'm sure others have too. [/quote] And I acknowledged that, but I once again said that if they do not occur often, then they aren't issues, they are merely one-off scenarios that may occur. Complaining about rare occurrences isn't an issue with the playerbase, and rather an issue with one's own luck or fortitude. Furthermore, I once again never said you set a specific frequency, but saying that it affects a surprisingly large amount of people, all of which with no evidence, something you prided yourself on with first topic, is giving us a general frequency of how often it occurs. I never commented on a specific frequency. [color=#ff0000]First of all, you can say I am 'literally complaining', but usually complaining accounts a series of "express dissatisfaction or annoyance about something". I merely expressed my views once in that original post, im not screaming it out to everyone. I just wanted to get my point across that they're some of the reasons i don't enjoy the game as much, again 3rd time lucky, my post was ambigious maybe i should, and goddamn i wish i did, make it clearer... I mean shit ('scuse my french) the mere fact i had the heading "Problems from my experience:" should have been enough. A simple 'This doesn't happen to me or that often, but im sorry for your misfortune' would have been a less aggressive response to my original post. Although you did sort of post it. Nevertheless, I'm sorry i've angered you in any way, or catalyst-ed a debate[/color][/color] [color=#ff0000][/color] [color=#ff0000]Secondly, they were my opinions, my experiences...hopefully we've agreed on that, and thankfully we've agreed I didn't say they were common. with that said why does it matter that it's rare to the rest of the playerbase? The playerbase in league of legends is huge, anything can be deemed a rare occurence, even a Poppy pick in the game, is a "rare occurence" but if people saw a poppy they'll just treat it as another game, or "norm" (I recognize this is a poor choice of word but you get my point, hopefully). Heres your logic in my mind:[/color] [color=#ff0000][/color] [color=#ff0000]"My town got flooded"[/color] [color=#ff0000]- Yeah but that's a rare occurrence and not a serious issue[/color] [color=#ff0000]"But what about investments to flood barriers etc?"[/color] [color=#ff0000]- No[/color] [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 3. Thanks for the definition of extreme cases, but I actually did refer in the commencing post they are rare, just the wording I chose was poor. [/quote] You literally just said you didn't refer to a frequency in your previous point. One of these has to be incorrect, and it is this one. Nowhere in your original post did you say it was a rare occurrence, which is especially odd that you say you did say it was a rare occurrence considering how you were previously saying that it affects a surprisingly large amount of the playerbase. [color=#ff0000]Again, it seems you don't really read my post, i said "commencing", maybe a poor choice of wording, but i was referring to my post after my original post. Original post - no frequency - you assume i meant common occurance - you stated extreme cases ie rare - i post later stating i agree they're rare. Why the spongebob we have an issue here i don't know. As for "surprisingly large amount of the playerbase.", can you please refer to me where I stated this? I remember saying that if you aska lot of players you'll be surprised at the answer, but even that is too vague to say I directly said it does affect a large amount of players, and I also did clarify either in my re-edited post or post you're quoting that you'll only be surprised that its not just me experiencing these issues.[/color] [quote=Xiaowiriamu]I guess the wording is really killing you... in both my posts.[/quote] Perhaps some of your ideas are crystal clear in your head, but if what you write down doesn't come off as what you're actually thinking or is unclear, then you can't expect a person to rebut based on what you're thinking and then blame them for being unable to correctly perceive what you wrote in your eyes. [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 4. Please, you know damn well I didn't directly say those scenarios were common or even made them out to be, they're simply a list of problems I've experienced. Again I guess the wording is killing you.[/quote] Once again, like I've said before, I acknowledged the fact that you didn't say they were common, but I clearly said that they wouldn't be issues if they're not commonplace. If what you're saying is that these are simply scenarios that can potentially happen, but only happened once or twice in however long you've been playing the game for, I'd imagine for almost 5 years, then they're not something that's a detrimental part of the game or worth pointing out. That would be more akin to you telling us this crazy story that happened to you around the fireplace that would never happen again in a million years, rather than a factual piece of evidence that you would bring into a debate. [color=#ff0000]I think you're getting it slowly, but in my original post I stated they're problems i've experienced. An experience is an experience, for me, they add up, kind of like how a snowball becomes bigger when you roll it down the hill. We're all different. I can't put a specific figure over the 5 year span of how many times they have occured to me, but its more than 1-2 that is for sure. Again, i was just posting MY views, and MY experiences, whether its detrimental to you isn't my concern. Heres our argument again:[/color] [color=#ff0000][/color] [color=#ff0000]"Thread title: Do you like chips?"[/color] [color=#ff0000]"I used to love chips, over 5 years i ate them but ive had some bad experiences with them, and don't enjoy them as much as i did"[/color] [color=#ff0000]- Yeah but that's your experience, not mine, and it doesn't affect the wider community who like chips so your point isn't really detrimental to us, or worth pointing out[/color] [color=#ff0000]"but the thread is asking for my opinion on the matter..."[/color] [color=#ff0000]- *Office space voice* Yeeeahh... (did you get this reference? :D hehe) Also this isn't really a debate, your basically implying what im saying is pointless or not detrimental to the wider community, even though i specifically am stating its just my experience. Again your just arguing with me for no reason. At it's at this point i don't know why or what we're arguing for... I guess due to my sarcy re-edit previous post and the way i've expressed my thoughts on this post it may spark another post.[/color] [color=#ff0000][/color] [quote=Xiaowiriamu] 5. "explicitly saying in your original post that you can get banned for those scenarios" again wording is killing you, I even clarified it was a separate point but you still like to think I explicitly stated you get banned for them. Why do you not see in my original post, unedited, that I stated "get reported" etc, and only for scenario 4 I said "reported and banned"...Com'on now. The fact you get banned for pathetic reasons was a separate point.[/quote] I understand you clarified that they're two different arguments, but you can't just say that they're two different arguments when the original suggests otherwise. There's nothing that suggests they aren't linked other than you saying they aren't. You can't conceive a child, have it end up being super ugly and then say he's not your son. Perhaps an extreme of an analogy, but it contains a similar point. [color=#ff0000]I agree it doesn't directly suggest they're not linked, but thats why i'm telling you, 4 times now, my post was ambiguous, structurally it was poor...which is WHY I CLARIFIED TO YOU they were separate points. I even stated in (i think) my re-edit of my previous psot to this one that for 4 of them i only said 2reported" and for one i said "reported and banned". I didn't think it would be too vague to realise the connection here.[/color] [quote=Xiaowiriamu]6. "...and that being banned for those scenarios are the real issue" nope.[/quote] Once again, you can't write something, have it be unclear for interpretation and then say it's the reader's fault for not getting what you're thinking. If the two people that addressed your point directly or indirectly thought you were saying otherwise, then I think that would be an indication that it should have been worded better. While you acknowledge that the wording wasn't the best, pinning the blame upon me for not reading carefully like how you did at the start shows that this expression was insincere. In fact, it has become genuinely offensive that you claim I haven't carefully read through your murky words despite me having done so and which I believe was indicated by the fact that I addressed relevant points as well as gave justification for a majority of my points as to why I wrote so based on what you said. And in response to that, you churn out a half-assed reply, of which you yourself admit to doing, of which shows indications that it was written after a skim through the original piece that is addressed. [color=#ff0000]Tbh i just said "nope" because i gave up trying to get my message across. As for pinning the blame, well... i said its ambiguous, and you still choose to post saying you cant really dissect my post because its vague, but then try anyway, like ...don't try, don't try and put words in my mouth, i knew what i meant, i clarified what i meant, and you still don't understand. I never in my original post said they were serious issues, i never in my original post said you will get banned for all 5 scenarios, and i never said they were common, and i never said these are the experiences of the wider community...[/color] Despite all these conflicting ideas, I think there is something that we are both in mutual agreement with; that it was the fault of the opposing party's misinterpretation that caused aggression within this otherwise casual debate. I will apologise on my behalf for starting the aggression in my previous post. [color=#ff0000]No need to apologize, as i've said, it was my poor wording and post that made it ambiguous. Least we can both mutually agree I didn't state a frequency, and hopefully you'll understand that it was my experience, and problems I've faced, however rare, however small, we're all different in how we approach certain elements. I think the majority of this is because i put "Some of the reasons you can get banned for are beyond pathetic...", the dot dot dot didn't help in me trying to clarify they were too seperate points... I intended to leave the "..." for discussion purposes such as "like what etc", but to then list 5 scenarios I've experienced after was a poor mistake. (I've fixed it now though) "opposing party's misinterpretation that caused aggression within this otherwise casual debate. " +1 Hopefully leave this matter to rest. Although i feel i sparked another post via my comments previously in the re-edited post you're referring from :) P.S good to be back on forums after 1.5year hiatus. Note: have fun in China hi mom [/color] [/spoiler][/quote][/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha]Alright, I had something typed up but I lost it. The general gist of it was thanking you for the debate and that it's a good time to drop it because it has become tedious for the both of us and the argument as a whole is becoming directionless. I also said something like it's not out of hatred for a person based on their opinion that I write like this, I just find specific points that I think are good and think it would be fun to challenge and see another side of it, blah blah blah, more unnecessary stuff, you guys know how I type. Anyway, I would like to throw this back onto a topical debate rather than a personal debate by giving out my own personal opinion as opposed to replying to someone else's. I think League is toxic as hell, and I think in recent times it has become even more amplified. I feel like the recent balance issues have caused people to dislike the game, which in turn causes them to start ranting about everything they hate, which in turn causes people to hate the game more and we get the situation we have here. Personally, I think the game is in a bad state right now. The game is unbalanced, and the people are more unpleasant than ever so the experience is bad as well. Unless you play with friends, then I would not recommend playing, and especially not ranked. Regarding Dunkey, well, he deserves it. RiotLyte said that he had a poor reform card, and Dunkey pretty much said that as well in the video. Dunkey deserves the ban because as a player, he is simply one of us, and since he is just a player like us, the video itself shoulders most of the frustrations people currently have with the game, there are all these threats of quitting and threats to Riot, etc. but we all know that people will just come flooding back when the shitstorm ends. Implying that the shitstorm will end. We could very well be seeing the inevitable downfall of the world's biggest game, but I have confidence that it isn't. Well, this was pretty redundant since it's what everyone else has been saying, but it was mainly to steer the ship back on course.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Ekki][quote=Mooninites]If majority of league players aren't toxic then why are the overwhelming majority of my games a fucking terrible experience? [/quote]Because there are 10 people in the game. Say 80% of your games have one toxic player (which is probably an exaggeration, as I doubt you even made the counting), that would mean 8 in 100 players were toxic in those games. Riot always pointed out that the amount of toxic players was somewhere less than 10% (I don't remember if it was 2, 4 or whatever), so yeah, it's not mathematically impossible. It actually makes sense.[/quote] thats exactly the problem though, there are 9 people in a game (assuming you yourself as a neutral party) and even if the majority of th player base is neutral, the simple fact is in a majority of your games you will have 1 player that ruins the experience. So that basically means the vast majority of your games are going to be a terrible experience, with the outlier being a positive experience. You're right, 8% is a minority, but the problem for league is that it has a majority impact.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Buddha reminds me of myself in earlier days of MOBAFire, except less of jerk. Moon has it right. It only takes 1 player out of the other 9 to ruin an experience in a game. Assuming you're tryharding in ranked (meaning you dgaf if someone is trolling on the enemy team if it makes it easier for you to win) and you have all-chat disabled, and you're duoqing with someone reliable, that's still 3 other players on your team that all have a chance of screwing up your game. A lot of League players seem easily triggered too, so all it takes is one person to set off and screw up all 5 on the team and, worse off, it's a majority case, rather than minority case.[/quote]

[quote=IxieSorrow]It's not very often i post at all but after i really thought about dunkey as a person and his video after watching it again, i think this all may have been intentional and his reaction purposely blown out of proportion in order to shed some more light onto the situation that is certainly not getting any better. He's certainly not ignorant to his ban reason at all and accepts it. What he doesn't accept however, is the reason he acted like that in the first place is something that to this day, is still very common in normals and in ranked. The easiest way to force a situation like that to be noticed widely by many, is by making it into a much, much bigger deal than it certainly needs to be. Will he still quit if i'm correct? probably not. He will likely massively decrease his League participation in general though, especially if nothing ends up being done about it (which is likely going to be not any time soon) ^Just a hunch anyways, i used to have a bad habit of solving problems this way. It works very well but definitely brings drama and hate with it.[/quote]

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[quote=Meiyjhe]Relevant: [embed=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b2Rv1WcZdU][/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]holy shit dunkey is such a god[/quote]