7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Thalia Kael][quote=NicknameMy]Patch 6.11 looks very interesting, especially for my Cho'Gath build. It has to change again, this time: [[stalker's Blade - Runic Echoes]]/[[luden's Echo]] , [[Mercury's Treads]], [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]], [[thornmail]], [[Wit's End]], [[Trinity Force]] To sum up the changes, [[boots of swiftness]] RIP, [[Trinity Force]] absolute 0 wasted stats, [[Wit's End]] buffed and 2. highest MR ingame, high synergy with [[rylai's crystal scepter]] and [[thornmail]]. Let's see how it will play out.[/quote] That actually looks amazing, I'll definitely try it out when 6.11 comes out.[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]U L T I M A T E B R A V E R Y 2 . 0 EDIT: I feel like doing a full 5v5 ultimate bravery during inhouses sometime. Would be a lot of fun I think.[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox]I personally prefer rushing deathcap on gnar myself I think it makes him an even bigger midgame powerhouse which is arguably the most important part of the game currently. with the changes to trinity force in 6.11 I'm excited to see how my deathcap gnar will do[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael][quote=NicknameMy]Patch 6.11 looks very interesting, especially for my Cho'Gath build. It has to change again, this time: [[stalker's Blade - Runic Echoes]]/[[luden's Echo]] , [[Mercury's Treads]], [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]], [[thornmail]], [[Wit's End]], [[Trinity Force]] To sum up the changes, [[boots of swiftness]] RIP, [[Trinity Force]] absolute 0 wasted stats, [[Wit's End]] buffed and 2. highest MR ingame, high synergy with [[rylai's crystal scepter]] and [[thornmail]]. Let's see how it will play out.[/quote] What are your thoughts on switching out runic echoes for bloodrazer?[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael][quote=DisturbedFox]I personally prefer rushing deathcap on gnar myself I think it makes him an even bigger midgame powerhouse which is arguably the most important part of the game currently. with the changes to trinity force in 6.11 I'm excited to see how my deathcap gnar will do[/quote] With the huge AP ratio on [[Gnar]]'s W and ult, I could actually see [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] being very succesful on him. In what order would you build it? It's quite an expensive item so I'm not sure at which point in the game saving up for it would be worth it.[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox][quote=Thalia Kael][quote=DisturbedFox]I personally prefer rushing deathcap on gnar myself I think it makes him an even bigger midgame powerhouse which is arguably the most important part of the game currently. with the changes to trinity force in 6.11 I'm excited to see how my deathcap gnar will do[/quote] With the huge AP ratio on [[Gnar]]'s W and ult, I could actually see [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] being very succesful on him. In what order would you build it? It's quite an expensive item so I'm not sure at which point in the game saving up for it would be worth it.[/quote] you rush triple doran's ring or 2 rings and a dark seal for the mad early game, then rush 2 guardian angels, sell them around 30-40 minutes and buy deathcap. I feel like with this build I achieve the perfect balance between being tanky and also dealing tons of damage (Phreak triforce pun xD)[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael][quote=DisturbedFox][quote=Thalia Kael][quote=DisturbedFox]I personally prefer rushing deathcap on gnar myself I think it makes him an even bigger midgame powerhouse which is arguably the most important part of the game currently. with the changes to trinity force in 6.11 I'm excited to see how my deathcap gnar will do[/quote] With the huge AP ratio on [[Gnar]]'s W and ult, I could actually see [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] being very succesful on him. In what order would you build it? It's quite an expensive item so I'm not sure at which point in the game saving up for it would be worth it.[/quote] you rush triple doran's ring or 2 rings and a dark seal for the mad early game, then rush 2 guardian angels, sell them around 30-40 minutes and buy deathcap. I feel like with this build I achieve the perfect balance between being tanky and also dealing tons of damage (Phreak triforce pun xD)[/quote] Why the 2 guardian angels? I know there are 0 wasted stats but since the passive doesn't stack, are the defensive stats really worth it? I should get hoppermh to do the math for me.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]The problem with switching out [[enchantment: runic echoes]] for [[enchantment: bloodrazor]] is, that you loose the valuable and much needed 7% movement speed, which helps a lot against kiting. That (and Cho'gath's AP ratios) is the main reason why I even have that item as core in my build. [[udyr]] showed out the strength of movement speed and with the added AP ratios to [[Shyvana]], maybe we see that item on her as well.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Hmm forgot about the movespeed on Runic Echoes, I guess it's too much to pass up. I also thought about Runic Echoes on Shyvana and I think that Runic Echoes + [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] would go great together as 2 first items. Thoughts?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Nah, Rylai's would be rather bad, her AP ratios aren't good enough for that (unless you want to oneshot people with E+R). The ranged slow of E could be cool but I think if you want a slow on her [[blade of the ruined king]] should be most of the time enough. Otherwise, [[iceborn gauntlet]] is another nice option, similar to [[Udyr]]. I also bought [[iceborn gauntlet]] on [[Cho'Gath]] to abuse his high base AD and the slow, but now with the [[trinity force]] change, it is way superior. [[Cho'Gath]] furthermore has a better kit to apply [[rylai's crystal scepter]] as he then permanently slows with his E in a large radius plus he can easier close gaps with W as well. Also, his W+Q combo gets much easier to hit with the slow. Edit: Just looked it up, people already start playing [[shyvana]] with [[rylai's crystal scepter]], so yeah, the potential is there.[/quote]