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The main problem here is that most of the active items are unique and they're taken because of their uniqueness. It's impossible to compare the items without looking at the active part of the item because the active is the reason the item is taken in the first place. There are few items that are replaceable with passive items if you're not used to having many active items for example but some of the items are too unique to be replaced.
Ravenous Hydra vs Bloodthirster is a decent comparison as BT is better if you often forget to use Hydra's active and they are both offensive lifesteal items but the reason Ravenous Hydra is built is for the active burst, not for the lifesteal.
Randuin's Omen vs Dead Man's Plate are very similiar items but the problem in this comparison is that Randuin's Omen is better than Dead Man's Plate most of the times, even you forget to use Randuin's active.
Unique items like ZZ'Rot Portal and Banner of Command are irreplaceable as they're not taken for their stats. You suggest guardian angel as a replacement item for Zz'Rot Portal for example but their key function is different. Guardian Angel is supposed to keep you alive but ZZ'Rot portal's job is to put pressure and split push. Items that also help split pushing are Runaan's Hurricane and Statikk Shiv for example but no Heimerdinger would ever build those because they don't benefit him. Therefore ZZ'Rot portal is the only option and it can't really be replaced. Same with Banner, it's not taken for it's stats but it's taken for split pushing and applying pressure.
Ravenous Hydra vs Bloodthirster is a decent comparison as BT is better if you often forget to use Hydra's active and they are both offensive lifesteal items but the reason Ravenous Hydra is built is for the active burst, not for the lifesteal.
Randuin's Omen vs Dead Man's Plate are very similiar items but the problem in this comparison is that Randuin's Omen is better than Dead Man's Plate most of the times, even you forget to use Randuin's active.
Unique items like ZZ'Rot Portal and Banner of Command are irreplaceable as they're not taken for their stats. You suggest guardian angel as a replacement item for Zz'Rot Portal for example but their key function is different. Guardian Angel is supposed to keep you alive but ZZ'Rot portal's job is to put pressure and split push. Items that also help split pushing are Runaan's Hurricane and Statikk Shiv for example but no Heimerdinger would ever build those because they don't benefit him. Therefore ZZ'Rot portal is the only option and it can't really be replaced. Same with Banner, it's not taken for it's stats but it's taken for split pushing and applying pressure.
"A person giving you advice isn't perfect and has their own shortcomings but they may give you the piece that you're missing."
You understand exactly what I'm doing, Joxuu, and I now see what you mean by a certain item having a role such as banner of command and zzrot for split pushing.
To summarize your post though; you're suggesting I don't find replacements, but rather skip over active items altogether?
Because I have given active items a try, and practiced them, and I always fall short in some way; therefore I really don't favor them. I feel overloaded, and I believe even though this game has proffessional potential, I feel like I shouldn't be forced to use active items to stay relevant.
Which by the way I perform very well without active items, but im not challenger, and im sure not everyone on these forums are either even though they use actives.
To summarize your post though; you're suggesting I don't find replacements, but rather skip over active items altogether?
Because I have given active items a try, and practiced them, and I always fall short in some way; therefore I really don't favor them. I feel overloaded, and I believe even though this game has proffessional potential, I feel like I shouldn't be forced to use active items to stay relevant.
Which by the way I perform very well without active items, but im not challenger, and im sure not everyone on these forums are either even though they use actives.
Tollison wrote:
To summarize your post though; you're suggesting I don't find replacements, but rather skip over active items altogether?.
We can probably come up with builds for your most favourite champions if you like.
"A person giving you advice isn't perfect and has their own shortcomings but they may give you the piece that you're missing."
"I feel like I shouldn't be forced to use active items to stay relevant"
Well, you use wards, right? You don't forget about those and you actually have to click them. If you don't use them, can you play the game? Sure, you can still play the game, but your skill level is going to drop.
Same thing with the active items. Can you not use them? Yes, you can play without having to buy a single active item. But when the situation is grim and you really need that Mercurial Scimitar to clear Nether Grasp, or when you need Randuin's Omen to ensure your team manages to follow up on your engage or even when you see that nasty Sion train coming straight at you and you can Zhonya's Hourglass, you will be in a serious disadvantage, because you don't want to learn these items.
This game has several components one needs to learn in order to get better, items with actives are just another. It is fine not to use them... it is possible not to use them... but you're better off trying to learn them and use them in your games. The actives are just too useful to ignore the item altogether.
Well, you use wards, right? You don't forget about those and you actually have to click them. If you don't use them, can you play the game? Sure, you can still play the game, but your skill level is going to drop.
Same thing with the active items. Can you not use them? Yes, you can play without having to buy a single active item. But when the situation is grim and you really need that
Mercurial Scimitar to clear Nether Grasp, or when you need Randuin's Omen to ensure your team manages to follow up on your engage or even when you see that nasty Sion train coming straight at you and you can Zhonya's Hourglass, you will be in a serious disadvantage, because you don't want to learn these items.This game has several components one needs to learn in order to get better, items with actives are just another. It is fine not to use them... it is possible not to use them... but you're better off trying to learn them and use them in your games. The actives are just too useful to ignore the item altogether.
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Not using actives is purposely handicapping yourself. This is an objective reality, since you win nothing by avoiding actives, but you may lose on using an item that may be OP. You will never approach professional play by handicapping yourself (IDK if that's your objective though). The fact that not everybody is challenger changes nothing, the worst bronze player could make the argument and it wouldn't be any less true. Actives are very useful. If you don't want to use them because you feel more comfortable that way it's OK, it's a game after all and you should aim to have fun.
That said, some actives are less impactful than others and some can be used outside of fights so you're not "overloading" anything.
Zz'Rot Portal and Banner of Command are often used while pushing or while walking somewhere else. You kinda have to learn when it's better to use each of them and whatnot but I personally always have those bound to 5, 6 or 7 since you have the time to look at the keyboard whenever you want to use their actives.
Other items, like Randuin's Omen, Blade of the Ruined King or Locket of the Iron Solari are useful even if you don't use their actives. There's no need to replace them because they do their thing better than any other item even if you don't activate them.
If you want to try actives use ZZ'rot and Banner in the 1-3 keys, to get used to using those numbers. If that still doesn't work just avoid active-centric items altogether (like Mikael's Blessing), but don't just avoid all active items since you would be handicapping yourself too much.
That said, some actives are less impactful than others and some can be used outside of fights so you're not "overloading" anything.
Zz'Rot Portal and Banner of Command are often used while pushing or while walking somewhere else. You kinda have to learn when it's better to use each of them and whatnot but I personally always have those bound to 5, 6 or 7 since you have the time to look at the keyboard whenever you want to use their actives.Other items, like
Randuin's Omen, Blade of the Ruined King or Locket of the Iron Solari are useful even if you don't use their actives. There's no need to replace them because they do their thing better than any other item even if you don't activate them.If you want to try actives use ZZ'rot and Banner in the 1-3 keys, to get used to using those numbers. If that still doesn't work just avoid active-centric items altogether (like
Mikael's Blessing), but don't just avoid all active items since you would be handicapping yourself too much.
Vexroth's post p much nailed it.
Let me put it in an analogy. Let's say you aren't good at math. Do you just abandon the subject altogether and focus on other subjects, or do you spend more effort in math while maintaining focus on other subjects as well?
Sure it might be easier and less work for you to just abandon math completely. You probably would see a short-term growth in your grades in science, languages, and history. It's much easier for you to focus on other subjects when completely abandoning one. However, you are ultimately gating your own growth in the long run. Eventually you will reach a point where your lack of attention to math simply hinders you from effectively learning more. You might struggle 10x more in your differential calculus lectures where they require a certain amount of finesse in basic algebra, precalc, or calculus, which you throw away.
Alternatively, you could admit your own shortcomings and put in more effort to make up for them. Sure it's more stressful and tiring for you, but you are paving a smoother path for yourself in the future. You will learn more advanced mathematical concepts much easier and smoother than if you had abandoned math.
Most of the population is physically capable of using active items. You may have difficulty in using them, but that shouldn't be the reason why you quit trying.
Let me put it in an analogy. Let's say you aren't good at math. Do you just abandon the subject altogether and focus on other subjects, or do you spend more effort in math while maintaining focus on other subjects as well?
Sure it might be easier and less work for you to just abandon math completely. You probably would see a short-term growth in your grades in science, languages, and history. It's much easier for you to focus on other subjects when completely abandoning one. However, you are ultimately gating your own growth in the long run. Eventually you will reach a point where your lack of attention to math simply hinders you from effectively learning more. You might struggle 10x more in your differential calculus lectures where they require a certain amount of finesse in basic algebra, precalc, or calculus, which you throw away.
Alternatively, you could admit your own shortcomings and put in more effort to make up for them. Sure it's more stressful and tiring for you, but you are paving a smoother path for yourself in the future. You will learn more advanced mathematical concepts much easier and smoother than if you had abandoned math.
Most of the population is physically capable of using active items. You may have difficulty in using them, but that shouldn't be the reason why you quit trying.
@ Vynterje Thank you for your suggestion, and I understand you and many other players must have active items, but that is not the point of this thread, but thank you for being polite.
@Joxuu You are also someone who is giving good advice, being productive in this thread, and being polite, but as you said if I do well with just passive items then go on ahead; which is what I plan to do.
Like I said before I just don't want to overload myself, the keys I currently press are qwer1 and 4, 4 on my mouse, and 1 on my keyboard for wards, and the 4 is for sweeper, warding totem, etc.
For now that is what I do best with, and since I had a horrible time with active items basically making me forget to use R or something like that I have decided it's best not to learn it, FOR ME, in the first place.
Thank you guys I'm going to leave this thread alone now. This turned out to be something completely different than what I expected, so there's no use in me posting in it anymore. I will check for replies, but that is all. Thank you and have a good day!
@Joxuu You are also someone who is giving good advice, being productive in this thread, and being polite, but as you said if I do well with just passive items then go on ahead; which is what I plan to do.
Like I said before I just don't want to overload myself, the keys I currently press are qwer1 and 4, 4 on my mouse, and 1 on my keyboard for wards, and the 4 is for sweeper, warding totem, etc.
For now that is what I do best with, and since I had a horrible time with active items basically making me forget to use R or something like that I have decided it's best not to learn it, FOR ME, in the first place.
Thank you guys I'm going to leave this thread alone now. This turned out to be something completely different than what I expected, so there's no use in me posting in it anymore. I will check for replies, but that is all. Thank you and have a good day!
Some items are active-unique. If you cannot activate them they're way less effective.
So, if you decided to avoid using actives, search instead for which stats you need.
Effectively change your build making, say you need AP, so check AP in the filter and see a good option.
You can't find direct substitutes for most items, so try to understand what are you lacking. And do realize you might need more than 1 substitute (Zhonya is way more powerful than just one armor item, in what it does; you may need 2 or 3 and there's nothing you can do)
Are you getting focused? (Zhonya, Mercurial items) Build defensive - HP, armor, MR according to enemy team, and maybe a Banshee's Veil to avoid that Blitz' hook.
Need to push lane? (Zz'rot, Banner) Buy waveclear. Stattikk Shiv, etc. Note that Ravenous/Titanic Hydra are still worth it even if you don't use their active. Note also that all AP champions do not benefit purely from those, so if you're an AP mage, nothing to do :(
Hextech family? Buy AP (and pray). Luden's Echo and Rabadon's Deathcap, Rod of Ages all pack quite a punch, lacking however the CC. If you do need the CC, Rylai's Crystal Scepter.
Face of the Mountain, Locket, Ohmwrecker, Zeke's Harbinger, Mikael's Crucible? I'm sorry, niche items. Nothing to do :(
The rest, I'm not sure, but I hope I helped. Please note, instead of a specific item, you want to check stats lacking, or at least you have more than 1 option, so build to the situation.
So, if you decided to avoid using actives, search instead for which stats you need.
Effectively change your build making, say you need AP, so check AP in the filter and see a good option.
You can't find direct substitutes for most items, so try to understand what are you lacking. And do realize you might need more than 1 substitute (Zhonya is way more powerful than just one armor item, in what it does; you may need 2 or 3 and there's nothing you can do)
Are you getting focused? (Zhonya, Mercurial items) Build defensive - HP, armor, MR according to enemy team, and maybe a Banshee's Veil to avoid that Blitz' hook.
Need to push lane? (Zz'rot, Banner) Buy waveclear. Stattikk Shiv, etc. Note that Ravenous/Titanic Hydra are still worth it even if you don't use their active. Note also that all AP champions do not benefit purely from those, so if you're an AP mage, nothing to do :(
Hextech family? Buy AP (and pray). Luden's Echo and Rabadon's Deathcap, Rod of Ages all pack quite a punch, lacking however the CC. If you do need the CC, Rylai's Crystal Scepter.
Face of the Mountain, Locket, Ohmwrecker, Zeke's Harbinger, Mikael's Crucible? I'm sorry, niche items. Nothing to do :(
The rest, I'm not sure, but I hope I helped. Please note, instead of a specific item, you want to check stats lacking, or at least you have more than 1 option, so build to the situation.
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I'm trying to engage in actual informational posts. I started this thread so anyone that questions my list can ask why I did it, or that if someone understands what I'm doing can question why I choose that item, or even better suggest a different item.
Listen it seems 90% of you are fond with having actives in your items. I'm not imposing making all items passive on you, but rather asking for help.
Yes pressing 1-4 will allow me to use active items, but that doesn't stop the fact that I can't do that without being overloaded.
This thread really didn't go the way I expected it to. I thought people who were actually interested in my proposal would be answering this thread, but so far it's only been answered by people who use active items and truly believes they all belong in the game and that every single player needs to learn to use active items, or just don't buy them, or a similar item, at all.