Backup rune categories in this patch

[quote=WAVEBOY]do you have any advice on what to take as a secondary rune category. It is mostly precision or inspiration and sometimes sorcery or resolve (for the demolish). Just wanting some thoughts on it.[/quote]

[quote=Ronyk]I wrote out a big long response about changing your rune pages every game, and before I hit "post" I double-checked what exactly you had written. What you're asking about is the value of the minor runes as the second half of a rune page. Here are my thoughts: [[Triumph]] and [[Legend: Tenacity]] can be put in as secondary runes for anybody. Tenacity is the rarest stat in the game (except maybe spell vamp? Is it still called spell vamp?), and is only wasted space if the enemy team has literally no hard cc. As for [[Triumph]], most people know this, but the reason you get triumph is for the sustain during teamfights, and not the extra gold. You almost never see Domination as a secondary tier except on supports (and occasionally mages who don't feel safe without the healing from [[ravenous hunter]])[[Relentless Hunter]] is generally taken, along with [[Zombie ward]]. [[Manaflow Band]] is very popular as a secondary rune to allow for more harass in lane, and is usually paired up with [[Scorch]], or in some cases [[Waterwalking]] or [[Gathering Storm]]. [[Bone Plating]] is currently VERY strong, and may get its numbers dialed back a little bit in the future - it seems like everybody is taking this over [[Demolish]]; usually alongside [[Conditioning]]. Now that [[Magical footwear]] and [[perfect timing]] are on the same tier slot, not every single person is taking them both. [[Future's Market]] is a strong choice to pair with either one still.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Ronyk has some good thoughts, though [[Relentless Hunter]] and [[Zombie Ward]] is also decent on some junglers. Although, with the removal of [[Tracker's Knife]] I expect Zombie Ward will be less attractive. :/ I'm gonna take a different approach and break down some basic secondary setups for various roles or types of champions. There's a lot of variety, so feel free to find a few secondary pairings you like and then slowly branch out from there. In no particular order, here we go: ADC: Scaling (Vayne, Ezreal, Kog'Maw): [[Celerity]] + [[Gathering Storm]] Early game / caster (Lucian, Miss Fortune, Jhin): [[Celerity]] + [[Manaflow Band]] These two are kinda preference. You can run [[Gathering Storm]] every game if you want. Jungle: Mobility reliant (Udyr, Shyvana, Skarner): [[Celerity]] + [[Waterwalking]] Ult reliant (Nocturne, Evelynn, Fiddlesticks): [[Celerity]] + [[The Ultimate Hat]] Tank-but-you-didn't-go-resolve ([[Fleet Footwork]] Sejuani): [[Conditioning]] + [[Font of Life]] (or [[Bone Plating]] or whatever) AtkSpd reliant (Rek'Sai, [[Aftershock]] Sejuani): [[Triumph]] + [[Legend: Alacrity]] CDR reliant (Kayn, Zac): [[Magical Footwear]] + [[Cosmic Insight]] Mid: Electrocute / Spellbook mage (Ahri, Diana, ): [[Manaflow Band]] + [[Scorch]] or [[Celerity]] Ult reliant (Fizz, Zed, Twisted Fate): [[The Ultimate Hat]] + [[Celerity]] Mana dumpers (Azir, Kassadin, Cassiopeia): [[Presence of Mind]] + [[Coup de Grace]] CDR reliant (Karma, Zilean, Veigar): [[Magical Footwear]] + [[Cosmic Insight]] More waveclear! (Lux, Taliyah): [[Magical Footwear]] + [[Minion Dematerializer]] Survive assassins (vs a Zed or Fizz or something): [[Perfect Timing]] + [[Biscuit Delivery]]/[[Cosmic Insight]]/[[Minion Dematerializer]] Sustain (idk who, people with DPS): [[Taste of Blood]] + [[Ravenous Hunter]] Support: Basic utility (Janna, Lulu, anyone with item actives): [[Zombie Ward]] + [[Ingenious Hunter]] Mobility reliant (Alistar, maybe Blitzcrank): [[Celerity]] + [[Waterwalking]] Mobility reliant 2 (you don't feel like roaming early): [[Magical Footwear]] + [[Cosmic Insight]] or [[Biscuit Delivery]] Healer (Nami, Soraka): [[Font of Life]] + [[Revitalize]] Tanky-but-you-didn't-go-resolve: [[Bone Plating]] + [[Second Wind]] Top: Tanky-but-you-didn't-go-resolve ([[Arcane Comet]] Malphite / Sion, [[Summon Aery]]/[[Phase Rush]] Singed, Gnar, Gangplank, a lot of tops really): [[Bone Plating]] + [[Second Wind]]/[[Iron Skin]]/[[Conditioning]] Attack speed reliant (Darius, Tahm Kench): [[Triumph]] + [[Legend: Alacrity]] Tank-with-mana-costs (Maokai, Ornn): [[Manaflow Band]] + [[Celerity]]/[[Scorch]] Ult reliant (Shen, [[Aftershock]]/[[Unsealed Spellbook]] Singed): [[The Ultimate Hat]], [[Celerity]] Sustain (Teemo, idk who else): [[Taste of Blood]] + [[Ravenous Hunter]] Sorry if that's kind of a mess, haha. There's some repetition between roles but hopefully that helps you get a sense of what kind of rune pairs people are running. It's always good to check guides, stats sites or players you trust and see what they're running for a given champion.[/quote]

[quote=Ronyk][mention=PsiGuard], thank you for providing all of your insight! You're much more experienced than I. You didn't recommend [[Legend: Tenacity]] in any of your examples... I take almost every time I play a Bruiser. Maybe it's not as good as I think it is?[/quote]

[quote=WAVEBOY]Thanks that was really helpful, could you give me some advice on my new Katarina guide in progress, especially my Secondary Rune tree, which is out of the ordinary for Katarina[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Hey [mention=WAVEBOY] sorry I didn't see this until now. I think Resolve secondary is a good choice for Katarina in threatening matchups. [[Second Wind]] sounds good against people with consistent harass like [[Kassadin]] but you might want to switch that out for [[Chrysalis]] against all-in champions like [[Talon]]. Hope that helps.[/quote]