Lissandra Build Guide : How to bury the world in ice | The Lissandra Guide

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Sooooooo.... Will this guide get a makeover with the items rework next season? I would love that but just imagining how much work that would be makes me keep my hopes in check ^^'

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Hi MrMagikarpus,

Unfortunately I must disappoint you, I don't really play that much League anymore (only the occasional rotating gamemode). Therefore, my ability to support my guide has dropped and I also lack the motivation and time to rework or update it. As a result (as you can see) I haven't updated this guide in the last 2 years (!) and it's safe to assume that I will not be updating/reworking it in the future.

It's nice to see that my guide still lingers in some people's mind though :)

Happy holidays!

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Oh mama, what a guide! I am glad there are dedicated mains that teach the ways of less popular champs. But is there any room for some Aftershock shenanigans? It worked quite well for me as for now and I am curious whether you would consider it a good keystone.

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Hey hey,

Sadly I must dissapoint you, I don't think is that good.

My main reason here is because of the versatility argument: with you can opt into both aggressive and defensive playstyles (either building full damage or more utility focused/defensive items). However pretty much forces you into a utility playstyle. In the mid-lategame you are very reliant on your team following up on your engages, and making picks on the side is harder as you do not have the additional damage an offensive keystone would have given you.

That being said, could be beneficial into some niche matchups (think of things like , whose only way of dealing damage is by jumping into you). If your main intention is to just shut an assassin like that down, and to ruin their day, then I'd say it could be a decent choice.

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Thank you for the quick and detailed answer! I see where you are comingfrom and even though I can't tell how Electrocute feels since I have not tried it yet, but I always imagine it, even when building utility, to feel like Electrocute Annie regarding the squishyness. Can you confirm that or how could one picture the difference in resilience?

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Oof, that's a hard question! I tend to run a high damage glass cannon build (elec - ludens - horizon - dcap), and I'd say it plays very assassin-like (not sure how this compares to ). Occassionally I run more utility focused builds, for example in the event that I get toplane I like to go comet - overgrowth + conditioning + crown/everfrost. In this case there is already a very noticeable difference in survivability: I can jump into peoples face without immediately receiving massive amounts of damage. I'd imagine that running gives you a little bit more survivability (I haven't played with it in a while), but I don't think the difference will be that large compared to the glass cannon builds.

The best recommendation I have is to just try it out. If you don't want to leave all the survivability behind right away, you can try secondary for some additional defenses. (I like and for the pure stats)

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So I tried the glass cannon build and it felt great! Just playing safe and holding the wave on my side did all the work and when I hit ludens it was like playing a non-flashreliant version of Annie.
To explain things a little, I was looking for a champion with somewhat similar playstyle and could not find any that were constistently fun to play (imo). The last time I thought Lissandra would do the trick all the experience I had with lol was like 250k on Annie and that is it. Back then I was not able to make her work but now I am glad to have revisited your stunning masterpiece of a guide.

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That's awesome! Finding champs with a similar playstyle to your main is hard. I hope that Liss will continue to be fun to play ;)

All I can say is... good luck, have fun & bury the Rift in ice!

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I just decided to main this champ so this guide was extremely helpful :D

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Glad it helped & good luck!

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So I wanted to quickly ask you on your opinion about rush tech. I have seen quite a lot of control mages go for it in slower and less dangerous matchups in order to win the war of attrition and generate big lead. In case you aren't familiar with it, in short you start the game with , and . You carefully clear first five minion waves and then you recall >>> teleport/walk back to lane with finished. Which in theory should allow you to deny CS from your opponent, force awkward recalls and eventually result in you being super ahead. So my question is, could it be applicable to in certain farming matchups?

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Hey there,

This seems quite an interesting strat... I'd have to try it before coming to a (final) conclusion. Just looking at it theorethically, it doesn't seem that good. This is mainly because makes you extremely weak compared to (both health and extra minion damage are missing). I am not even sure whether I could reliably clear the first five waves without my opponent bullying me to base. In case it actually works out, it still isn't that good. Denying CS as is pretty much impossible, but it can help with the 'perma shove and run around the map' playstyle. Forcing the opponent into awkward recalls is possible (as long as they do not run the same strat).

Anyway, as I said, I'd actually have to play games with it. But I'm first gonna watch that LS vid you probably got it from :p

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Haha I got it from Midbeast, but LS reminded me to ask you about it (needless o say I have seen it in a live game as well):D
But yeah your arguments seem reasonable. Honestly I also don't really think it would be that good. After all you are denying yourself AND and you also lose additional 50 gold as a fee. While I still think it is decent strat on certain champions, it does make sense why would not be one of them.

Anyway thanks for your time and clarification <3

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Sorry for the terribly long delay Katasandra! I was not notified that I had received a request! I can definitely understand the desire and need to update and keep a guide on top of competition and in general just the feeling of wanting to keep something you're passionate about fresh and new. So I am here to give you as best of a review as I can.

I do enjoy a guide that takes the time to make their notes a little more detailed instead of a "Haha, go read the guide for that information" so thank you for this! I do, however, dislike reading entire build paths in the notes, if that makes sense. I feel like you could very easily explain it in less detail while showing more visual detail.

EXAMPLE

This would allow you to talk about each Mythic item in general in their dedicated sections without having to // everything to try to make it less clustered. Give it a try. It's a very handy and neat thing to do. You could also add in your first back paths and in general just items you normally buy on a regular basis like control wards.

One more very important thing! This is the beginning of the guide, the cheat-sheet the "I don't have time to read a guide" section, it would be very helpful for the reader viewing the guide to know in your own words what each champions threat is & what you can do to face them more easily. You obviously don't have to go as IN-DEPTH as I do with Teemo, but just a "Oh, he's a hard champion, avoid his ___ and __ do ___" is a really good thing to have.

Is certainly not lacking. You do have a nice neat design, though it does lack visual flair that we have mostly come to know with new and recent MobaFire guides. You do keep everything relevant and informative for readers.

I will say that your Pros & Cons section really makes me angry (not at you, at the pros not being aligned with the cons), this is more of a OCD thing I have when it comes to text. If it isn't all centered and the same length in each paragraph leaving extra space left, it annoys me, however, if it looks like this review, I love it! (Filler text haha)

Issues with pros & cons

As we start to scroll down, I find it very hard to actually focus, this may just be my eyes/mind but I am constantly having to shake my head and blink trying to find SOMETHING to grip me and allow me to focus, but because everything is this icy blue theme, it's nearly impossible for me. Perhaps try leaving the banners and such the icy blue and simply use a nice greyish bold text or just plain white for each section. This may be just me. I'm weird.

Scrolling more down we see some variations of sizes for videos. Some are larger, some a tiny, some are in spoilers and some are even centered or pushed around in columns. I think it would be great to have more of a consistent usage of the same size like width=650 for videos, while centered or while in a spoiler. Presentation wise here once again, just has me squinting, hurting my eyes. It's good information just... presented to the reader in this case me, a big baby very poorly and I'm trying really hard to read. It's just so clustered together.

Issues with Abilities

Heading past the videos, and into your rune section. It starts to clean up very nicely. A beautiful design of runes and graphs, presented in a well formatted Imagery, Text and Borders presentation that is very easy on the eyes, until you open up the spoiler and get blasted by an array of colors all of a sudden. I think this section could be reimagined talking about only the runes that Liss actually uses while greying out the ones she can not or does not use. If it isn't something she can use try #808080 instead of sudden red & orange, or don't talk about it at all!

While you have a good array of information to provide to your intended reader. It more or less goes multiple places at once. It's hard to focus, things that are important seem to be displayed as a very unimportant way (Abilities reference videos, etc). I would in my opinion from a visual point, definitely try, you don't have to, but try to give some nice visual feel to your guide. Stay consistent, consistent sizes, formats, you get the idea.

I am very meticulous when it comes to things looking their best, even if I have to spend a good 12 hours trying to make it look good. So if you ever need or want some of my advice or thoughts on visuals, just let me know.

~Cat

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Hey, Thanks for the review!

I figured that you were busy with your own guide, so I decided to just be patient. (I see you adapted your new guide code (style) to the review! Looks neat ;) ) I have a tendency to address all points in reviews so let's get started!

The cheatsheet has been changed, although it came at the cost of being short it definitely added some more depth to the builds. Curious to hear your opinion. I'm a bit reluctant to add champion threats to the cheatsheet itself, as I got a dedicated section further down the guide.

The pros/cons has been uh, fixed. See, this is why I ask for reviews. I can't stand stuff like this either >.> As for visual flair & focus, these are kind of my weak points. I have considerable trouble figuring out how to do stuff like that (laughs in lack of photoshop skills and formatting troubles). That's why I'm so all-in on table coding :p To put it into perspective, coming up with the format takes me 5 hours while making the table takes me about 5 minutes.

The widths of the clips have been made the same (some were set at 350 and others at 400). But I'll ponder a bit on the formatting and whether to change it & how. I understand the comment on the colors in the spoilers of the runes, I'll probably convert the red ones to gray (and the orange ones to something else?) but it needs some time as I intend to adjust some of the images as well.

There is an weird detail in your review though: you mention that the abilities section (I assume part 2), is packed too densely. But a little later you mention that the Item section (still part 2?) is formatted very nicely. Thing is, I formatted those two sections in exactly the same style, so I'm a little confused. Can you pinpoint why you perceive those two sections differently? Also what do you think of the formatting of the gameplay section (part 2?)?

Also, a note about the review itself. Sometimes it's a little hard to figure out what section exactly you're talking about in the review. This is caused by the setup of my guide (as some sections occur twice, with different content). Most of the time I'm able to figure out which ones you mean, except the 'Ability Reference Videos'. Do you mean part 1 or part 2 there?

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Thanks for the review!
You're welcome.

I figured that you were busy.
Yeah, I tend to get carried away with time when editing and thinking of new things.

I changed the cheat sheet.
It looks much more presentable! Very informative, besides a few notes being missing from the some of them for Lost Chapters & Potions like "This is a cute little book that synergizes well, with mana, damage instead blasting wand."

But I have a dedicated section for Champions!
I'm aware. But some people simply want a threat list, right here. It doesn't have to be informative. This just helps someone currently opening up a game decide if they want to play her. Instead of throwing her right into EXTREME threats unknowingly.

The Pros & Cons is fixed.
Huzzah! My OCD is cured! You don't really need too much knowledge in Photoshop, just simple thinking outside of the box for ideas for banners, you can even use Sketchio if you don't have any video editing software. You could ask for people on forum or in Discord. I am sure many people would like to assist. Especially for and with someone and helpful as you.

A Few minute example

This isn't much. Just how I normally go about things. I did however, luckily have a person step forward, who appreciated the work I put into my community / guide offer high quality Banners and Assets for free, so that's how I got mine :3

The widths of the clips have been made the same. I'll probably convert the red ones to gray (and the orange ones)
Yes! It doesn't hurt as much! A joyous day! Time is all I have. I know how much time goes into making guides and editing.

Abilities packed densely, but, but, but.
It was pretty late, so I may has misread something. But all in all. If I was to change this guide myself. I would have re-done the videos to be more pronounced. They are very important to a guide for simply offering a visual reference. Some people don't do too well with reading literacy. The problem with the LEFT video, RIGHT text, transition to LEFT text, RIGHT video, is the fact that the videos need to be really small to fit the text & video without causing the text to be 6 lines of 5-6 words. So imagine if this review had a Teemo Dab emote in every point, that would unnecessarily push each column into more length.

This is a very rough example

in melee matchups you should look to damage the minions such that your minions have slightly more health than the enemies. This will make the wave slowly push towards the enemy side. Keep lasthitting/maintaining a minion health lead till the wave crashes. While doing this you should look to harass the enemy with autoattacks and/or Ice Shard when they go for CS. Make sure to hit not too many minions with Ice Shard as that may make the wave push too fast.

After hitting the tower the minion wave starts slowpushing back to you. Make sure it does so (do not push it back). Now you have to be a bit careful about harassing because you got less minions around you. Once it comes close to your tower, try to make it so that the enemy has ~3 minions more than you and keep the wave there. If the wave crashes, start slowpushing it to the enemy tower. In case you need to base you can spam Ice Shard on the wave.

Versus ranged matchups you should try to do equal damage to the wave as your opponent. The wave can be slightly on your side or slightly on their side, Glacial Path will keep you relatively safe from ganks. You can look for harass/trades when they go for CS, but focus on farm.

As Lissandra your trades are either quick pokes (autoattacks, Ice Shard) or small rotations where you proc Electrocute. (Auto - Ice Shard - auto; auto - auto - Ice Shard). If melees jump into you ( Ring of Frost - auto - Ice Shard - auto) is common as well.

Either trade when the enemy goes for CS or when one/multiple of their abilities are down. Also be careful around minions, avoid autoattacking the enemy when you're close to the ranged creeps/the enemy minion wave is very big.

Especially in melee matchups, autoattacking is extremely important. Not only weaving them between abilities, but also when the enemy starts retreating. A lot of people scuttle away in fear, but since the enemy just burned all of their abilities you should chase them a bit with autoattacks. This can really make the difference between you trading even/winning the trade and losing it really hard!

Here is a better example

If we put your current example & all other videos together. You can see just how neat and tidy you can truly make things. Ideally how I view guides is like Ease of Access or rather, looking at a stage performance. Enter stage left and exit stage right.

So to go from left to right, then having to jump down from left to right to watch a video last feels, wrong. Which is why I have been changing my format with the upcoming update. This would line everything up with how your sections are broken up.

PS: Cluster break ups are usually just spaces or text / imagery. This gives a ready space to breathe.

Also, a note about the review itself.
It's pretty hard to actually navigate the guide what with there being no Table of Content and in my opinion an overuse of the guides built in ToC. So I end up scrolling through a lot of things that seem to reoccur and also have to scroll through the messy ToC. This may be where we are being confused and I apologize for not listing images last night for reference.

I believe what I meant by this was just all videos showing off the skills as a reference. Which would be both.

Sorry if I missed something in this response. It's currently very early.

~Cat

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This is a cute little book that synergizes well, with mana, damage instead blasting wand.
Actually no, I would never consider getting blasting wand before chapter. Hence why I only put chapter there :p

As for all the rest: I have decided on a certain direction (with a lil more colours :p so you should have a easier time orienting yourself) the first changes should be rolling out somewhere next week. Including a TOC in the guide itself so you can zoom around to your hearts' content!

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Actually no, I would never consider getting blasting wand before chapter.
It's more or less a way for you to tell people that in notes, why. I'm sure people make the mistake when playing her.

MORE STUFF!
Pog! Can't wait!

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Hey I loved your guide, it really got me into OTPing(?) Lissandra when I started playing LOL in season 10 and I noticed it says that the guide itself has been archived, so my question is what happened? ;-;

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I am currently working on a new version (basically what you see here) and it isn't finished/updated yet (basically was really busy with uni and turns out that both writing a new version and updating an old one is a pain). I'll be keeping it archived for a few more days, so I can put more content into it and then I'll publish it again.

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Oh! I see, thanks for the reply, I was really hoping for such an outcome, that's my favorite Lissandra guide and one of the best I've seen, as I mentioned.
I'm waiting for the new one then! Take your time and care.

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It's here, more updates will come over time but the main parts are present now!

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Hi, and thanks for the Lissandra guide. I wanna only say one thing: when you see some videos, like freezing lane and others, you can see they are bugged(?)
But I have to say that this guide is one of the best i've ever read on this site, and, for me, the best one for Lissandra

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Hey,
What do you mean with bugged? I checked and the GIFs seem to work correctly.
Thanks for comment though!

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Great guide! I'm a lol elo(Bronze 1) and I want too much learn how use Lissandra and your guide is helping me, but I don't know what are the worst champions to she, to who I try ban

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Hey hey,

When you're learning I wouldn't bother with banning specific champions she struggles against in lane. It might be a better idea to ban strong champs your team won't pick.

However, if I were to make a list of champions I dislike playing against the most it would be: , and . However, I think they are rather uncommon in the elo you're at (not to mention that the enemy won't play them that well - which means that you got more room to try to beat them!). So again, I don't think banning them is worth it.

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Oh, thanks! I have another question. between Liandry and Luden, how can I choose between the better item in a play?

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I think works best when you're up against a low range team with a couple of tanks (for example: melee mid, tank top & tank supp or tank jungle + mid/low range ADC).
is good into squishy teams (can be both against low & long ranged teamcomps).

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Amazing!

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Thanks

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Great guide, i learned a lot about lissandra , you are indeed the goddes of Tables the guide is really beautifull, and i have learned a lot from your table guide!

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Thank you, glad to see you learned something :)

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I really love your dedication towards Lissandra and this guide! Really detailed and filled with knowleage up to the top!
I do not play her myself but you make me want to do so :(

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Thanks! It's never too late to try playing a new champ ;)

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How viable would you call her as a "I got autofilled midlane and now I need a champ who I can have enough impact with, even tho I might not be all too familiar with the midlanerole"?
(of course when you are somewhat decent at the champ)
Or would you call Lissandra a champion you really need to know, 100%, what you are doing with? (like a midlane mage who has a lot of weaknesses and is not really a save pick?)

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This is actually an exceptionally hard question to answer (for me at least).

It's hard to define having 'enough' impact - if you're not familiar with midlane you're unlikely to carry games with (however one could wonder if you'd be able to carry as an autofill anyway). Let's say you're just playing not to feed and be sort of useful to your team, in which case it could definitely work (since you got plenty of defensive tools and some utility).

The big downside of is that she has some pretty bad matchups and to be able to pilot her in lane you kind of have to know midlane, as her kit itself won't lend you much strength. This detail of depends on the elo you're in - if you're in gold or below it'll probably be doable anyway.

So ultimately I think she does 'alright' as an autofill pick, but there probably are 'better' champions for that out there. That being said, I highly doubt you would get autofilled midlane anyway :p

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What in the world?! The coding displayed here is out of this world. My mind is boggling. What a beautiful and functional guide. This must have taken hours upon hours of experimenting and fine-tuning. Absolutely brilliant +1^99.

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Thank you! I indeed put a lot of time into this guide (so much that I cannot give an estimate of how much time...). It feels like I published this guide years ago whereas it's actually been less than a year :o.

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