Why is League of Legends matchmaking this garbage?

[quote=Tauricus2017]So let my ask again. What exactly you want to achieve with this thread? If you want to get better, we are here to help but If you want to only complain then I just seriously don't know what do you expect us to do for you :/ If you don't consider LoL fun then don't play it. What can I say.[/quote]

[quote=Dyto][quote=ak521][quote=Dyto]I can explain EXACTLY why matchmaking AND champion balance are terrible Riot's theory on matchmaking is that an ideal matchmaking system should work hardest to keep you at 50% winrate, not necessarily placing you with and against evenly skilled players, which means they artificially weigh games against or FOR you based on whatever internal statistics they use to give you an increased chance of loss / win ( yes.... you go on a winning streak and the system works to make you lose ). Secondly, this adds a secondary problem .... champion balance .... and champion winrate we all know plays some amount in their metric for when a champion needs buffs / nerfs. Here is the funny thing.... in a normal matchmaking system that works to keep you with and against like skilled players this form of balance actually works really well, because champions winrates are effected very easily by people who "exploit" characters that are too strong, they get nerfed when they need it. In league we dont get this system, so while the "Balance champions on their winrate" SEEMS like a straight up reasonable position, their matchmaking formula actually COMPLETELY invalidates winrate information. Yeah... get over it though, riot has basically said they dont give a shit about good balance or good matchmaking, and they've responded as such literally everytime they're confronted about it, they infact not only respond that way, they DOUBLE DOWN and swear their systems closely resemble similar systems ( there are no other competitive games that does matchmaking this way, not even one.[/quote] I disagree but I won't argue, I'll just say what I think... Matchmaking doesn't literally look to see who just won and lost a game. How would that work? It literally won't. It's random. So Riot doesn't try to keep you at 50% winrate. Champions are unbalanced due to preseason. And there's no perfect champion balance, and if that were the case, then that's just going to be a BORING game. You won't be able to pick a "strong" champion or make a "strong" team composition. It'll just be uniform. And to counter your argument, just ban someone you think is unbalanced. Riot's improved matchmaking a lot more than I would have ever dreamed. See my previous comment.[/quote] Listen kid, there's nothing "uniform" about 150 champions just because you refuse to let people exploit certain champions which are too strong.[/quote]

[quote=Proxava][quote=Tauricus2017]So let my ask again. What exactly you want to achieve with this thread? If you want to get better, we are here to help but If you want to only complain then I just seriously don't know what do you expect us to do for you :/ If you don't consider LoL fun then don't play it. What can I say.[/quote] There are several hopes in this thread: Hope #1: Somebody tells me to switch that toggle in the options which makes me lose 11 Volibear games, perhaps some option like: "Are you somebody that minds losing 11 times in a row?" That is per default enabled, I just need to disable it. Hope#2: Somebody with good evidence supports my theories, that matchmaker is devious. This makes me feel again more happy, i.e. I got revenge for the 11 lost games in the sense that we came a bit closer to the "truth". Hope#3: People of similar "intellect"-level will read this and quit playing lol, respectively hopefully never start with it. I consider starting playing lol as one of the biggest mistakes in my life. I could have continue my studies of author Robert Musil instead or chess player Alekhine or play a good game like path of exile, crusader kings, minecraft, terraria, factorio, mordhau, or any similar high quality game. I understand that majority of people will never think the same, because it is very common that majorities think garbage-wise. But I hope that at least the intellect people will understand and never even bother this garbage here. These are the hopes of this thread. Sadly nobody could achive #1. #2 was achieved to some extent, which makes me a bit happier. #3 is solely depends on the future.[/quote]

[quote=Fruxo][quote=Proxava] There are several hopes in this thread: Hope #1: Somebody tells me to switch that toggle in the options which makes me lose 11 Volibear games, perhaps some option like: "Are you somebody that minds losing 11 times in a row?" That is per default enabled, I just need to disable it. Hope#2: Somebody with good evidence supports my theories, that matchmaker is devious. This makes me feel again more happy, i.e. I got revenge for the 11 lost games in the sense that we came a bit closer to the "truth". Hope#3: People of similar "intellect"-level will read this and quit playing lol, respectively hopefully never start with it. I consider starting playing lol as one of the biggest mistakes in my life. I could have continue my studies of author Robert Musil instead or chess player Alekhine or play a good game like path of exile, crusader kings, minecraft, terraria, factorio, mordhau, or any similar high quality game. I understand that majority of people will never think the same, because it is very common that majorities think garbage-wise. But I hope that at least the intellect people will understand and never even bother this garbage here. These are the hopes of this thread. Sadly nobody could achive #1. #2 was achieved to some extent, which makes me a bit happier. #3 is solely depends on the future.[/quote] #1 Doesn't exist and never will. #2 So far nothing supports your theories because again, they're all baseless in the first place. #3 Will also never happen, since this is a forum for active users of the game, I heavily doubt it. People may get mad if they lose games, sure, but going to this extent and quitting will not happen as they wouldn't bother being here otherwise if they don't consider playing the game. Stop writing an essay about what else you could have done with the few hours you've spent in the game, it's not the end of the world. If there is anything you've wasted time on currently that could have actually been spent elsewhere, is continuing this thread that won't lead anywhere or make any changes.[/quote]

[quote=Tauricus2017]#1: That button does not exist. Only self-improvement does. #2: I recommend reddit r/leagueoflegends. I can certainly assure you that you will not have many upvotes BUT perhaps you find more people that think about this game the very same way and will join your ideals. #3: Now this. I don't know what to say. If this game is garbage and you have so many other good things to do, then I definitely recommend you not to waste your time here. Fighting in such discussions will cost you a lot of time and I am pretty sure someone like you could utilize it better. Don't let LoL take anything more from you then it already did and let players themselves create their own opinions about this game... EDIT: Lol at the time I was writing this, Fruxo already answered XD[/quote]

[quote=AliDaSavage]Sometimes i think that the matchmaking isnt fair, but i just realize its just me that trash n demotivated the whole team or some of my teammates is trash so you got DEMOTIVATED and the whole team too. But if you tried a lil bit harder and your team see you " damn this dude show us the light " they will be motivated n working together. This not invidualism game, it has so many psychological games goin on all you need to do mute them all ( if you got focus issue ) and just do the thing as your role suppose to do. Thats all i can say about matchmaking.[/quote]

[quote=AliDaSavage][quote=Tauricus2017]So let my ask again. What exactly you want to achieve with this thread? If you want to get better, we are here to help but If you want to only complain then I just seriously don't know what do you expect us to do for you :/ If you don't consider LoL fun then don't play it. What can I say.[/quote] I addicted to it lol, I just know its not about the system. Its all quite fine. Its just me that need a lil bit exercise n training. This game is hard to master thats how it is so challenging, i love it. Can't be stressed this how it is, sometimes if i feel tired cus losing alot i will just quit and watch tutorials or pro player tips also their matches, it makes me feel better and won the game.[/quote]

[quote=unoD]You are absolutly right in everything you said. I realized the same things. Besides, observe no matter how obvious it is the game is being mean to players, if somebody makes some fair criticism There will always be those comments that blames the player and say it is all (his/her) fault all the time no matter what. Reading this kind of comments sometimes makes me think there is a mix of people being paid to defend the game on the internet (I really don´t doubt that) and some players with strong "in denial" personality when they face situations. (English is not my first language)[/quote]

[quote=Fruxo][quote=unoD]You are absolutly right in everything you said. I realized the same things. Besides, observe no matter how obvious it is the game is being mean to players, if somebody makes some fair criticism There will always be those comments that blames the player and say it is all (his/her) fault all the time no matter what. Reading this kind of comments sometimes makes me think there is a mix of people being paid to defend the game on the internet (I really don´t doubt that) and some players with strong "in denial" personality when they face situations. (English is not my first language)[/quote] Not really. If you're doing well in the game and the rest of your teammates are doing poorly, then that is just an unlucky game and hopefully the next one will be a lot better, you will lose games and likewise you will win games. If you're doing poorly in the game or outright dying all the time and the rest of your team is doing okay, then yes, it would be your fault for that specific loss.[/quote]

[quote=BillSimpson]Sooo, I have been following this threat and had an interesting read. To me: I am clocking 11 years now in this game when I played Tristana the first time in June of 2010... I have almost seen everything. But also, I did not turn blind to the big problems of this game. I am absolutely with the OP - except for the P2W clauses because, well, that is really untrue. But let's be real here: The matchmaking in LoL is super ridiculous and very skill-less. It's more of a gamble instead of skill-assessment. I am in the same boat as "Ashe" (because of her avatar^^). When I found an old screenshot of 2011, I had an almost 50% winrate (it showed you wins, losses and leaves) with a fair game. But suddenly, it stopped. It was about 2013, when I told to my DuoQ buddy and cousin: "Man, the matchmaking is really wonky". RIOT, back then, it might be 2011 or 2012 even, declared to "increase the speed of the matchmaking". Instead of finding people of your skill, it just gets you an average "team". For some reason, despite we were all Silver (the "Gold" back then, as there was no Iron), one side was absolutely terrible. I was like: "Hey André, why is it that we are all "Silver", but some play like Bronze actually". That was the first moment when anyone that made it through elementary school figure out: Something's not right. League of Legend's matchmaking is absolute garbage. The problem is that neither RIOT, nor people like Fruxo Tauricus and AliDaSavage are willing to talk to the big elephant in the room. Because it is kind of a taboo to talk about it, because due to the taboo, talking about matchmaking makes you the "hardstuck loser with trash attitude", which should infuriate anyone with a bit of education and knowledge about the videogame business. In 2010, Tryndamere's ultimate was 1 second longer, and people complained. The forums (the first, blue ones if you remember) was full of "Haha, you can't beat Tryndamere like that, you are a N00b". The taboo started. Later, RIOT nerfed it by 1 second. The actual problem was there, just tabooed, so we all pretended it was not there. The same with literally ANY matchmaking discussion I was in so far. RIOT shut down their forums, and Reddit literally deletes any serious concerns about it within 5 minutes. So I understand what OP means with "Delete every discussion from the internet" (even though it ended in being a semi conspiricy theory LOL). Whenever I try to talk about the big elephant in the room, it's just like you guys here: "No, all fine, it's you. Learn from your stomps, watch replays, get better". When I go into the game, I have my 2/14/1 Kayn and wonder: "How is this guy 2/14 when he is in the same tier/MMR/ELO than I am?". Then I check his OP.GG and his wins and losses are all over the place. He has blue (won) games where he was 2/8/1 and loses game as 17/4 Yi. And you wonder why the matchmaking is so bad when you can completely screw up and win and be good and lose? If you want the game to be gambling instead of proper skill assessment, fine. THat is alright. But don't act like "each game is winnable" and me watching replays change anything when it actually barely matters. I see your point of "you win more games with being positive", but on that way of "being positive", I have to endure so many fail-matches that I wonder if we are in a ranked "eSport" title or some sort of NASA patience endurance test. Let's make things short: [b]Any matchmaking system that hides your ELO/MMR is shady. Period.[/b]If ranked matters so much, why would you hide it and just display useless tiers? Yes, that makes the manipulation and rigging more easy. [b][/b][i][/i] This strange "brushing off" of actual pictures of bad games is the worst problem. "Ashe" posted several pictures of Silver vs Bronze, which should be outrageuos if you claim to have a matchmaking. What do you guys do here? Skip that undeniably bad matchmaking and parrot your same "Its a you-issue". When she posted two games of nonsense. 20 minutes later, she posted another picture of a follow-up game and has 2 trolls in there, wich means 50% of her team mates are garbage. What do you do? Parroting your same "It's alright, it's your own fault, watch replay" nonsense. She posts about her loss-streak - a real matchmaking would prevent that free-falling, RIOT's rigged one does not - what do you do? "Your fault". If you stop taboo-ing everything and ask why a "matchmaking" puts Bronze vs Silver, then we could step forward. Why do you have tiers like Bronze, Silver etc. when actually your MMR is not like that? How is the "matchmaking" supposed to work or even programmed if this a thing? My cousin is Diamond meanwhile. Whenever he buys lunch at my workplace, he either says: "4 games and all lost with incredible feeders" or "last 4 games won ez pez". RIOT also has a patented document from 2014 IIRC where they even admit that social scoring influences the so-called matchmaking. So skill is not fully required, the amount of reports etc. you receive and file yourself matter, too. Which is the very defintion of match manipulation btw. Also, RIOT lied about not having a "prison island" for toxic player, so who knows where they keep lying into your face as well. We also know about rigged matchmakings (was it Activision?) that send you on winstreaks on purpose vs super bad enemies so you get confident with your champ, buy buys skins etc. just to be corrected with a massive loss streak after the company got your money. While I type this, I just got the result screen of my previous game that I had to leave to save my bloopdpressure: 1/11/0 Pyke, 1/5/3 Warwick, 4/7/0 Rengar, 2/5/1 Midlane. I can see the matchmaking and skill-assessment with a team getting 28 deaths within 14 minutes! Absolutely winnable! I think I gotta watch replays now so I can learn from my awesome team mates!! /s You guys also switch back and forth with your reasoning: "Carry your team" for example. As far as I remember, it says: "Play with your team mates and siege the enemy Nexus" somewhere at RIOT. Not "Try to be at 2.5 lanes at once while carrying people to a win they don't deserve while also not rage into the chat". That is basically admitting the matchmaking is bad if you have to carry other players, because they should pull their own weight if the matchmaking would work. But apparently, it isn't. Yes, I am also getting carried. Which should not be a thing either if the matchmaking would work. Because that means I did not pull my weight, and after 11 years, I think I can pretty much tell when that is the case. . . Just one more thing that often comes up: "How is that the pros always end up in their Challenger?". Well, the same question is why there are slums and poverty when Elon Musk, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos exist. I can still invite you to Rio de Janairo and I will show you the undeniable truth. . . Just throwing out "negativity bias", "Dunning Kruger effect" etc. is cheap, but if you read into those, you will see barely apply to this, because both is subjective while those op.gg and TAB scoreboard numbes are pretty much objective, cold numbers. Also, I am not "hardstuck". I am getting send on 24-game winstreaks myself. Granted, this is "Normal", but it clearly shows that LoL has zero skill assessment and matchmaking going on. This is my actual op.gg, and just by looking at it anyone with a bit of education should figure out that this is surely not a working matchmaking: [img=https://i.postimg.cc/qRT63c02/1223.jpg] [b]So yes, you can hate the rigged and manipulated matchmaking in LoL without being on the receiving end. It just takes an open mind and anti-taboo thinking.[/b] Just saying "your mates/you are doing poorly" is basically a nice, comfy cop-out. Because it makes you think you are the problem, and you can't deny your personal skill has something to do. But why are we doing poorly in the first place? Always blaming on "having a bad day" is again immediately nullified with a short glimpse at our OP.GGs profile and you see the pattern very quickly. I had a Bard account because I thought I'd like to play support in LoL. In the end, I just gave up. The funny thing is the LP gain. Guess how many I lost when losing? 6 LP. Guess how many I won? 28 (!!). So the so-called matchmaking knew those games were unwinnable and manipulated so it would bet against me. I could literally lose 4.5 games to equal out ONE win. Go figure if the own system knows it does not really match fair games . . . . . . .[/quote]