AP udyr: noob stomper?

[quote=Restrictnine#5232][quote=JunSupport] [quote=Restrictnine] Lol. Even The Rain Man still lanes Udyr for TSM sometimes, so it is 100% viable. But I agree. If you want to win in solo queue at high elo, Jungle Udyr is standard. Granted, Jungle Udyr AP is difficult, because your starting item is kinda... awkward. Trust me Jun, i've done my fair share of Jungle Udyr lol. I've actually been doing that a lot more than laning lately because I enjoy the ability to affect all lanes instead of just control one lane. It has helped my win record. [/quote] Wait, I was only referring to general Udyr gameplay. We're talking about [u]Jungle AP[/u] Udyr now? Now THERE'S something to explore. If we're talking Jungle-AP Udyr, [[Lich Bane]] is core for mid game, imo. It just seems so right. [icon=Phoenix Stance] [b][color=#ffff00]Golden Phoenix Fists of Fiery Fury![/color][/b] [icon=Phoenix Stance] [/quote] I actually tried it on my smurf recently. I would definitely start with dagger, as the extra AS is great in the early levels, and it isnt cheating and you can actually build it into something useful. I feel like Amp Tome is possible if you have some boss runes, but haven't tried that outside of lane yet. Amp Tome Udyr is scary at lv 1 lol. So trolllllllll.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]But his ap-ratios are very bad. They would have to increase the ratio of [[turtle stance]] to 100% and the ratios of [[phoenix stance]] to 50% to make it worth it.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]The main stat on phoenix isn't AP though, its AtS. The little AP you do acquire turns turtle into a very viable shield. It works with your resistances and is still effective in combat.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]But if you build ap, you build lesss resistances, so...[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]That completely depends on what AP items your buying. Anyone building glass cannon AP Udyr has a major problem.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=BusDriver210] That completely depends on what AP items your buying. Anyone building glass cannon AP Udyr has a major problem. [/quote] Or is just seriously bored. I have to try AP Udyr tonight or something.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, but AP [[Udyr]] needs [[rabadon's deathcap]], [[lich bane]], [[nashor's tooth]] and [[void staff]](Ok, [[abyssal scepter]] is a good replacement). How you want to build tanky?[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]I don't even bother with deathcap since his ratio is so low. [icon=wit's end][icon=Mercury's treads][icon=Lich bane][icon=Rylai's Crystal Scepter][icon=Abyssal Scepter][icon=Zhonya's Hourglass] I don't know why you would ever try to build glass cannon Udyr. It never really works because if the enemy has a shred of intelligence they just focus you down. Maybe trade rylai's for deathcap, but that is only if I don't need the slow. Wit's End alone, with some AtS runes, will cause your damage to be enough. If your really in need of more deeps grab [icon=malady] or [icon=nashor's tooth].[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]A tanky build for AP udyr in my opinion would be something like this: WotA Abyssal Rylais etc. Granted, tanky is a relative term when you are talking about AP udyr. You just can't build zombie Udyr like you build zombie Karthus. I feel like some of the AS/AP items would really help Udyr's game out a lot, but then again I feel like that is going into the hybrid world, and when I think AP I think of straight AP. Not kayle AP, but Annie AP. or even Rumble AP. Note that this is a troll build for anyone that is trying to make it as viable as possible. It will never be viable. As to Udyr's ratios, I find that .35 is almost too good on Phoenix atm. If you get a few hundred AP, the Phoenix AoE does over 100 damage per second. That is a really good amount of damage, and that is before you include the procs or AA damage.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]I find that regardless of your items, Udyr will pump out some form of hybrid damage. To simply stack AP and ignore AtS is trolling [u]YOUR[/u] team.(which I don't agree with) I agree phoenix does a great deal of damage, but why buy deathcap when it only gives you ap? Its a wasted slot at a certain point because your not even getting the full effects of the item. Yah your AP is huge and your lichbane nuke is a monster, but at a certain point I just find other items better choices. Example: [icon=Zhonya's Hourglass][/quote]