Serpe's Jungling Corner!

[quote=DuffTime][quote=ZioSerpe] [[Shaco]] [/quote] Agree. [quote=ZioSerpe] [[Warwick]] He's by far the best tank in the jungle right now when build correctly. [/quote] LMFAO, never in a million years. Rammus and Amumu are both better, as is Cho and probably even Shyvana and I'd go as far as to say Udyr is probably better too. [quote=ZioSerpe] [[Volibear]] [/quote] No opinion~ [quote=ZioSerpe] [[Shyvana]] Long Story Short, she doesn't have great ganks but can, and should, outlevel the enemy jungler to make up for it. [/quote] Her ganks are Udyr-esque and decent. Her power jungle is so gud and gear independency is so gud. [quote=ZioSerpe] [[Nasus]] & [[Cho'gath]] I still disagree on them being at a good pace in the jungle as they would be in solo top. Last cho gath I run into as maokai gave me the impression I was just outclassing him, and he didn't seem a that bad of a jungler either, Anyway I'll try him and let you know in next Tier update. Same goes for nasus (I know his ganks are a bitch thanks to [[wither]]); I'll give him some jungle love and then get back at you. [/quote] Cheers, Cho is easily Tier 1. If you want to know how I do it, I can give you the secret sauce. (Runes, masteries, etc) [quote=ZioSerpe] [[Irelia]] I might have her too low as T5, [/quote] The highest she could ever be is T3. Her kit doesn't do it. [quote=ZioSerpe] [[Olaf]] Problem with him [/quote] It's really his gear dependency. Nothing else.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Zeprido] I agree with this. Needs successful ganks though. [/quote] Yes, but that doesn't always mean he needs kills. Just successful ganks, like ya said. ;o[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Zeprido] I agree with this. Needs successful ganks though. [/quote] Yes, but that doesn't always mean he needs kills. Just successful ganks, like ya said. ;o [/quote] Exactly, successful gank if any combination of the following - Damage, burn summoners, pressure, kill, tower. If they burn summoners and don't B, gank again. Still feel Shaco should not be T1 due to his hard fall off and delicate early game.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Zeprido] Still feel Shaco should not be T1 due to his hard fall off and delicate early game. [/quote] Trust me, it was hard for me to accept the fact that a champion like Shaco could ever be that strong, but he just is. Lol. It's disgusting, and cheesy, but he is just really really strong right now.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Zeprido] Still feel Shaco should not be T1 due to his hard fall off and delicate early game. [/quote] Trust me, it was hard for me to accept the fact that a champion like Shaco could ever be that strong, but he just is. Lol. It's disgusting, and cheesy, but he is just really really strong right now. [/quote] He's strong in the sense of how he effects the game, if he has a poor early game, its going to be effectively 4v5 by mid game. If he has a strong early game, expect an early victory or ridiculous control of the game. I agree his is strong early game, however it does not offset his falloff or how delicate he is.[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][[Rammus]] Seriusly, DAT GANK! He's flat out scary for the enemy team, if you overexted you're gonna get raped. That's prolly one of his major strengh, the team that has him as an enemy is forced to play way more careful, thus limiting enemy agression in lane phase just by being selected. Also, seriusly PBALL>flash>taunt!, riot mite aswell add him a voide saying "bite me" when he does so. As much as he needs fuccesfull ganks, it's also very hard for him to have unsuccesfull ones. [[Warwick]] Oh he's tanky, trust me on this, he gets tanky way faster than amumu and rammus do, and he has way better damage. Point is in large teamfights you he is gonna stay alive and deal damage. I don't know if you people have a good grasp of Basketball, anyway let's say warwick can let you play Box&1 in teamights: he sticks to his target and neutralizes it without reciving any help and reviving damage he might easily heal off after he's done killing. I say it once again, he's very overlooked, but dat wolf is strong.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]Warwick is simply outclassed at the moment, Riot needs to either adjust him for the new jungle so he's faster (faster level 6) or change something about him to give him more utility. Not much he can do after he ults in team fights other than damage, he is either first to die or last to live. Rammus and Amumu continue to have their CC and therefore generate more threat.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Zeprido] He's strong in the sense of how he effects the game, if he has a poor early game, its going to be effectively 4v5 by mid game. If he has a strong early game, expect an early victory or ridiculous control of the game. I agree his is strong early game, however it does not offset his falloff or how delicate he is. [/quote] There will always be at least 1 lane he can set behind. I guarantee it. IMO the best method with Shaco is to set one lane as far behind as possible. Abandon all others. If you get one kill on a guy, come back 5 more times in the next 3 minutes. legit.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=ZioSerpe] [[Rammus]] [/quote] Don't forget, he's good all game. He never falls off. [quote=ZioSerpe] [[Warwick]] I say it once again, he's very overlooked, but dat wolf is strong. [/quote] I agree. He's strong for a lot of good reasons, and he's good at jungling and he's a good damage soak. I wouldn't call him a tank though, he's just an initiate and a soak. Because WW has good initiate and pinning power, in my mind he's a tier 2 or tier 3. Otherwise he's out DPS'd by other junglers, and other tanky guys have better CC's. Not to mention, he has no AoE clear, slowing his early speed. Once he gets some razors though his clear is fast enough that it's fine. But his excellent ultimate and his amazing soak power do merit a tier 2 or 3 place.[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Zeprido] He's strong in the sense of how he effects the game, if he has a poor early game, its going to be effectively 4v5 by mid game. If he has a strong early game, expect an early victory or ridiculous control of the game. I agree his is strong early game, however it does not offset his falloff or how delicate he is. [/quote] There will always be at least 1 lane he can set behind. I guarantee it. IMO the best method with Shaco is to set one lane as far behind as possible. Abandon all others. If you get one kill on a guy, come back 5 more times in the next 3 minutes. legit. [/quote] That is what you actually always wanna do with any great early ganking jungler. Strong point of shaco is that he can make that happen bot lane aswell, while most of good gankers can be truly effective with this strategy only when doing it against solo lanes.[/quote]