CDR on Olaf?

[quote=DuffTime]Ohhhh I wouldn't go that far. Zeke's is decent in team comps with good auto attackers.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Uhh, why spirit visage? o.O I think Starks is generally a fine choice on supports after you have Aegis and Shurelya's. It's certainly better than most of the items you just listed. [size=1]Yes I'm still calling it Starks.[/size][/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17]You have a small enough gold pool to work with that Zekes is just a waste. It doesn't do much for you, and it doesn't do much for others. Let your autoattackers buy their daggers; buy things that help them survive to do their jobs more efficiently. Randuins (if you use the active), locket, abyssal, wota, etc. Also, like I said, I was deliberately giving terrible ideas to illustrate a point. I can't really think of any games I've ever played as support where I thought "man, zeke's would be awesome right now". Because you are paying for a whole lot of stats that you can't really use. If you want something that builds off kindle gem, there are better items for supports. And seriously, your autoattack champs will have plenty of IE, BT, PD, and whatever to make them the happiest AA crowd on their own if you can use better items for your team to get them kills. Leave Zeke's out of supports items. It's not very good.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Well I guess my AP champions won't be needing WotA since they can just buy AP and spellvamp on their own. And of course my tanks won't be wanting an Aegis since they can buy armour and MR by themselves.[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17]WotA stacks, and you can use its stats yourself. If they want to build aegis, then you don't have to. But usually, my getting aegis as support has never really been contested. Plus, you mentioned Aegis as a support item, so I left that out of my little list. Edit: stop changing your freaking posts, Luther. I have to keep changing mine in response. :P[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Son I still remember the time you asked for help starting to play support and I wrote a page long essay on it for you, donchu go lecturing me. I created you; I can destroy you.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Back from page one: [quote=Luther3000] By the way, I saw Dyrus do something like this last night when TSM were scrimming 4not. As I recall he went CDR boots, Shurelya's, Randuin's and Ghostblade. [/quote] [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] - 15% CDR [[Shurelya's Reverie]] - 15% CDR [[Randuin's Omen]] - 5% CDR [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] - 15% CDR Total - 50% CDR, exactly 10% over the cap Plus he might have had 8.1% from [[Enlightenment]] if he specced into defense. CDR boots might work, but if you're building that many CDR items, you'd be better off with mercs or tabi. Scrub Dyrus. :P[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17][quote=Luther3000] Son I still remember the time you asked for help starting to play support and I wrote a page long essay on it for you, donchu go lecturing me. I created you; I can destroy you. [/quote] But DAAAADDDD.... :( Seriously, though, I've had a lot of practice with support since then. Ask Psi and Wrath. They almost never let me do anything else. Still doesn't change the fact that I think Zeke's is pretty bad. Honestly, I think it's a bad item in general, but it's even worse for supports. Maybe in some situations, yes, but overall, not what I think of as a "good support item".[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Zeke's is a situational pick up. Not an every game item.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Ya. In all honesty though it's not even a decision that needs making because a game has to run at least ~40 minutes before you can even consider purchasing an item after Aegis and Shurelya's.[/quote]