On-Hit Jarvan

[quote=BluAnimal]Yeah, not a troll build either! :D I was thinking a week ago I should try building on-hits on [[jarvan iv]] since he already has that nice passive (even though it's on a timer) and he auto attacks quite a lot. So why not make his auto attacks stronger and faster without having to build the AD? Therefore I present On-Hit Jarvan. I've been using this build for the time being: [list] [*] [[mercury's treads]] [*] [[frozen mallet]] [*] [[wit's end]] [*] [[madred's bloodrazor]] [*] [[atma's impaler]] [*] [[randuin's omen]] OR [[warmog's armor]] [/list] I'd start out in top lane with [[boots of speed]] and [[health potion]]s, my first time back I would build either [[phage]] or [[heart of gold]] if I was going for a [[randuin's omen]]. Next time back I would pick up [[madred's razors]] and a [[recurve bow]] or [[giant's belt]] if possible. My next item would be [[frozen mallet]] followed by a [[wit's end]]. From there I would build either [[randuin's omen]] if it was needed or continue and finish [[madred's bloodrazor]]. I'd finally finish the last item being either my [[atma's impaler]] or [[warmog's armor]]. TL;DR How does this build work? Am I carrying too many minor items, not enough damage at X point of time? Most of my games have resulted in victories unless I got completely countered in lane D: I've been able to farm really well with [[madred's razors]] and [[heart of gold]] and my sustain is pretty decent. So, comments and suggestions welcome, and criticism, before I take this a step further.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Bloodrazor is not a good item really. 4% of 5-6K HP with 150 MR boils down to about 1.5% of their HP. That's about 90 bonus damage, max. It also doesn't give you a ton of resistances to go Demacia-Dunking and survive. YOu also don't need a ton of AS because of your [[Demacian Standard]] putting you at about 1.5 AS endgame. Even without any AS items. [[Wit's end]] is fine but I usually have [[banshee's veil]] instead. Gives me more AD and better resists overall.[/quote]

[quote=BluAnimal]The point of [[wit's end]] is because of the AS and magic damage. I do understand your reasoning on [[madred's bloodrazor]] though. Although that 90 magic damage is still decent, + even more AS and some AD in there as well. I may swap it out though for a better resistance item.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]No, no, no. You're misunderstanding my bloodrazor complaints. That's 90 damage on someone with 6000 HP. 90 damage per attack is not going to help at all unless you attack a lot. You don't really have the resists to do that either. :/[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I could see viability in this build if you say, get to lane against the ever lovely [[Malphite]].[/quote]

[quote=BluAnimal][quote=Lugignaf] No, no, no. You're misunderstanding my bloodrazor complaints. That's 90 damage on someone with 6000 HP. 90 damage per attack is not going to help at all unless you attack a lot. You don't really have the resists to do that either. :/ [/quote] With the complete build (with [[randuin's omen]] instead of [[warmog's armor]]) you're looking at: 3090 Health 251 Armor 126 Magic Resist (Low) 1.9 Attack Speed 238 Attack Damage I think that's tanky enough to be in the center of the team, especially with [[golden aegis]], but you're attacking fast enough to make the [[madred's bloodrazor]] viable and you'll be stacking up your MR with [[wit's end]]. Edit: But I do see what you're saying, hold off on the Madred's unless they're rolling around with 5000 health and 0 resistances.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]There's no staple build on a character. However on-hit builds are stupid on most champs who are unable to stick on their targets. Only champ I can think of that uses on-hit well is [[Shyvana]] because her W lets her stick on to melee targets. I don't think it'd work well on Jarvan. Well I mean sure you can build it and it'd work, but why would you when your Q and R have great AD scaling and your passive is phys damage?[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]On-hit builds work well (best) on champions with inherit on-hit effects or damage IMO. Like [[Shyvana]], as RosePhoenix said, she does extra magical damage on hit to targets of her [[Dragon breath]]. Other characters I like with that build or similar would be [[Darius]], [[Kayle]], and [[Cho'Gath]][/quote]

[quote=BluAnimal]I figured, hey [[frozen mallet]] is already a great item and keeps him on his target, and [[dragon strike]] to a [[demacian standard]] is a great way to keep them trapped/catch up. Oh well, thanks everyone.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I like the idea, BluAnimal, it's just really situational for [[Jarvan IV]]. :p A build like that would be staple on say.. [[Teemo]]. (The Madreds and Wits end, not the tankier items)[/quote]