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I can't bring up my game to test but I can at least reply!
The computer is too slow to do editing and what not, I can't have multiple tabs open QQ :(
I was only pointing out that you guys said "your guide has been up a while" when in fact it has only been up ~5 days. I most likely should have waited to publish this, but at the same time, I just wanted it out :p
Thanks so much Mowen, your time and opinion is well appreciated.
A lot of times you seem to be thinking I'm telling you your choices are wrong when I say "explain WHY you take ____" for example in the skilling section. Your skilling order is right, we're just saying explain why skilling this over that is better because of the scaling rather than because "this is a support spell." For instance you wouldn't usually max Alistar's heal most of the time, even though it's his most "supporty" spell.
I would suggest if you want to keep other less viable item/summoner alternatives in there that you have them in a section that somehow denotes they are less viable / you don't recommend them rather than having them with the items you do recommend. I think GMD would say to still just remove them but I see your point of having them in there.
If you have any more questions / want more feedback you can pm me or GMD! I will try to check back occasionally but I might miss if you update / ask questions. :P
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Runes
Alight..
I guess I can see why.
Items
Was done at 6 am, been too busy to fix, but thanks for pointing it out.
Good point. Just like normal builds, if you plan on getting a void staff later, you end up selling the magic pen boots.
I put situational things in my cheat sheet because people complain too much when a cheat sheet is not compelted.
This is not true. It is not a "DPS Mage" item only. This is was only a filler item anyways, meant to help with her Q and R. You don't know how many complaints I get already from people who say I don't build any AP, since AP does her good. But for the sake of the build, I'm taking off all situational items and re-doing my item section after my wedding.
Masteries
What does Melee range have anything to do with that? I thought it gave a bit more sight though for some reason. I'll change it.
Alright.
Alright.
Guide:
General
As I said, I have a wedding. A real life. I plan to change things when I have the time to.I don't even have time for my graphic shop.
Alright.
Alright.
Masteries
Didn't I? Oh, I used the wrong masteries in my cheat sheet.
What would be another reason? I personally hate being under leveled. This is my guide after all.
Runes
attack damagephysical damage" "Supports can't get CS (CreepSlainScore)"Thank You.
Thank You.
It protects from AD damage, I think that is just fine. People don't HAVE to choose this one. Maybe to get the most out of armour, but for the most part, its personal preference.
I see.. Is there an enemy
TBH there was no thought process, I thought those were flat x_x .
Because I never tested those, they were suggestions from other people. Eventually these suggestions will be played out, and here it comes again; I have a wedding in 6 days. 6 days.
Summoner Spells
People will want to see other choices, good or bad. There was a time when people pounded it in my head that I should list other options as well, its not going to be so easy for me not to.
I see your point of view. But maybe you can see mine too. Maybe I shouldnt have used that reason, because the one I used (at lower levels) was to get me to my AD carry faster.
If I take it out, people will ask. This guide is not for level 30s only you know, there are people who may read it at a lower level.
Abilities
Oh, okay, but I do use it that way :/ that is why I have my mana runes you guys don't like. so I can poke. At level ONE this is a good poke, at level 18 this is a good poke. Thats why I say its a good poke. At level one it pushes enemies away from farm if uses properly.
Thank You.
Yes, nitpicky indeed. I'll explain more about turning fights around.
Skilling
It is simple. Help pix is a shield for your AD? Whimsy is a speed boost that gives AP? If you're supporting down bottom, what would you use? Its not gaining more per level, its about what would benefit your carry more, and while a speed boost is nice, the shield will always take priority. (I'm not forgetting that you can use both on enemies, but I only use whimsy when the AD starts to foccus one down and I'll whimsy the other right quick. A harder shell is better than a longer CC, only because the other AD will fight back at first. I guess I could be more discriptive on WHY, but in a different way.
Personal preference is in play here. I prefer my way, and so far it has been good to me. You have to also remember that it depends on the enemy team, I should include this.
Starting/Mid/Late Game Items
Thank You.
If you can't afford the items, then thats okay. I'm just explaining the order really
Thank You.
Thank You.
I've had questions about this item, I normally put in items that people question. So I'll keep it there. Just so people know it is not good.
This is where I get confused on this item's place. People say its been made into a support item, others say its not a good item for anything what so ever. Right now, to me, this is your word vrs, some one else's word on weather the item is a support item or AP carry item. I truely don't know. I put it in there because some one asked me, and I gave my opinion. Thats what I do to prevent from having to repeat myself. Notice how the section they are in is called the good/bad/ugly? Because I mean to put in items that people will wonder about! :D
Most if not all ADC have enough spell vamp and attack speed late game. Amirite? I guess it could be good but it would be only if your team had more AD set up, which I mention.
Game Phases
Common sense would say that if you can secure the kill to do it, and if your AD can easily snag the kill to let them, but I'll explain better.
How is that confusing? You can get CS when your AD is dead or at base. But for quality sake I'll just sum it up - if your AD carry is not around (dead or buying at base) you can get CS. And yes, I meant it to be repeated.
Thank You. Makes sence, I guess I worded it wrong. I really meant was keep them safe.
Again, common sense would say this but I guess I cooooouullllddd explain more :p <3 .
I said shine, not that she was the best. "Support magic time" kinda supports that. What I meant by that was not that Lulu alone is the best here but that as any support, late game is where you feel the most action.
Ooh, nice idea guys.
Warding
I like to save the best part for last, jk.. I don't know why TBH, just felt like it flows better that way.
I'll make sure I change support to Lulu, but I feel like it brings me down no matter who I play. I don't like playing support and only having my GP5 items because I'm warding everything I can, it gets even worse if the enemy team has oracles.
Thank You. I didn't even know this, the graphic wasn't the best anyways, I planned on changing it later on.
Okay
Map Awareness
Thank You.
common sense would say to ping or type if you have some one who can't hear team chat. I'll change warding
okay.
Thank You for the hard work and time you put in to help improve my guide, I appreciate it guys!
Thank you for your time.
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Guide:
General
Masteries
Runes
attack damagephysical damage" "Supports can't get CS (CreepSlainScore)"Summoner Spells
Abilities
Skilling
Starting/Mid/Late Game Items
Game Phases
Warding
Map Awareness
This guide helped me a lot with Lulu. Thank you for creating it! +1
To my taste, it's a bit too much "generic support", and doesn't really highlight Lulu. It will work, for sure, but it's not really showing the potential.
Lulu is a support which can poke quite nicely early game, and really help your carry by being an actual threat to the enemy team, and not only here to put a shield. I prefer Lulu with no mana regen, but some magic penetration. It makes her dangerous enough to scare the carry.
According to items, you don't max cooldown reduction until the late, late game, which is a pity, because Lulu has great situational skills. You dismiss the Morello as a weak version of Athena, but in my opinion, that's seeing it the wrong way. Morello's build from a Kage's Lucky Pick, since a few patches. Which means that you can take this as your second gp5 item instead of the heart of gold. You can build the Morello quite early thanks to that, while keeping a nice gold income. I usually prepare the other part of it, then finish the shoes, then the Morello. It gives you an early AP boost, as well as a nice CDR and mana regen.
Which means that you get a better shield and heal (on ultimate), and you can cast more often. You might be more squishy, or get auras a bit later, but in my opinion, Lulu shines by her abilities, not by being yet another aura support.
On the small notes, you could insist more on the combo pix + glitterlance. It can really allow you to grab kills (and an assist for your carry) which were not in reach (cast the pix on the support which is retreating next to his carry). Most people forget about that, or don't know Lulu enough, simply, so it's easy to get a surprise kill in normal games, this way. Cast it on your fast ally while chasing, and you can slow down the enemy, allowing your chaser to close the gap almost instantly.
About the skill order, in my opinion it's not as much the duration of the polymorph which is the main reason to upgrade it second, but mostly the cooldown reduction. Being able to cast Whimsy often is crucial.
Small note/warning that you could add, about the ultimate: there is a very short delay between the cast, and the actual health gain. It's not much, but if you cast that on the last moment, you can find yourself with a giant corpse on the ground, because the size will kick in, but not the health, on time. So you will have your ultimate wasted for nothing. It's nice to cast that on the last moments (Lulu is great at creating baits and turning a situation over), but not too late.
I also love your guide.
Your guide is essentially what I use every game. I would say add an ideal partner or ideal "should use Lulu with this guy" section or something, but no need at all. It's all amazing.