What to build on new Garen?

[quote=Kirluu]How is it not? Gives a good amount of AD, and the ArP isn't something to say no to, and then there's the clearly needed cooldown reduction, which is to say it mildly: simply critical. On another note, I'll give it a go for a building sequence for an off-tank Garen befitting his update; [[Boots of Speed]] + 3x [[Health Potion]]s [[Doran's Blade]] [[Doran's Blade]] [[Boots of Swiftness]]/[[Mercury's Treads]] [[Phage]] [[The Brutalizer]] [[Hexdrinker]] **Sell one Doran's** [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[Maw of Malmortius]] [[Infinity Edge]]/[[Last Whisper]] - Thinking about it, this might need some rethinking as well. I would like to have a GA in there, but I ran out of room. Hmm... Anyways, this is my bet so far :) Kirluu~[/quote]

[quote=Xenotechie][quote=Kirluu] How is it not? Gives a good amount of AD, and the ArP isn't something to say no to, and then there's the clearly needed cooldown reduction, which is to say it mildly: simply critical. On another note, I'll give it a go for a building sequence for an off-tank Garen befitting his update; [[Boots of Speed]] + 3x [[Health Potion]]s [[Doran's Blade]] [[Doran's Blade]] [[Boots of Swiftness]]/[[Mercury's Treads]] [[Phage]] [[The Brutalizer]] [[Hexdrinker]] **Sell one Doran's** [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[Maw of Malmortius]] [[Infinity Edge]]/[[Last Whisper]] - Thinking about it, this might need some rethinking as well. I would like to have a GA in there, but I ran out of room. Hmm... Anyways, this is my bet so far :) Kirluu~ [/quote] I was saying it was not as effective as it was, but it is still quite effective, just never really liked building it. Then again, it does build into [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]], so, seems like a good idea to grab it. I say you can freely ditch [[Atma's Impaler]] in favor of survivability, with a passive like that building resistances over HP seems far more rewarding. I did some calculations: assuming I am using 9 flat armor seals and 9 magic resist per level glyphs, [[Garen]] has 80 armor and 77 magic resistance without the passive and any items. With the passive, it is 96 armor and 92 magic resistance. Now, a [[Guardian Angel]] raises those to base 148 armor and 115 magic resistance, buffed by the passive up to 177 armor and 138 magic resistance. That is 23 bonus magic resistance and 29 bonus armor via the passive, which puts the values close to the values the old passive gived at full farm. Just keep that in mind. At any rate, I'll try a variation on this a whirl and see how it goes once the patch goes live.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I normally build him like this: [[boots of speed]] + pots [[doran's blade]] * 2 [[brutalizer]] [[ionian boots of lucidity]] [[phage]] [[b. f. sword]] [[frozen mallet]] [[infinity edge]] [[guardian angel]] [[youmuu's ghostblade]] [[last whisper]] Sell [[doran's blade]] if needed. 25% cdr early so you make best use out of your midgame strength. It also loweres the CD to activate [[perseverance]], so this even helps your sustain. I think [[garen]] could jungle now aswell.[/quote]

[quote=Kirluu]Generally I don't find it to be a good idea to go Garen jungle. He has no CC, and his speed-buff is super short in early levels. You'll need to have red buff at all times, possibly forcing you to counterjungle, which I'm not sure to be safe until at least a bit later, once you have a higher level in [[Decisive Strike]]. Other than that, I'm not fond of [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]], since it doesn't give you excessive speed like [[Boots of Swiftness]] and also doesn't help you in terms of tenacity ([[Mercury Treads]]), which is the only better choice than the speed from Swiftness. I can of course see the CDR being extremely useful, however when you choose something that doesn't benefit your speed in particular, I feel like you're forced to get an item or two that increase your movement to compensate for this. The best answer for this would most likely be to either switch out [[Frozen Mallet]] with [[Trinity Force]], or to substitute something else for [[Phantom Dancer]].[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]brutalizer is a noob trap on garen, if you want it you can swap 1 or both dorans for it, but honestly with his new reduced cds and the 4% you already get from masteries and the arp you have from runes its unnecessary.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=NicknameMy]I think [[garen]] could jungle now aswell.[/quote] I'm definitely working on this.[/quote]