Haunting Guise

[quote=H4xDefender]Its only good for champs with high base damages like vlad and rumble. Not on mordekaiser really. Standard is sorc shoes, guise, and abyssal for 40 mpen plus the mr shred from abyssal and on top of that the 10% from masteries and 8.5 from marks. Rumble and vlad have stupidly high base damages which is why its so good on them.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]It's a very underrated item. It's a really strong snowball item if you combine it with early Sorcerer's Shoes. It's especially good if someone else on your team gets an early Abyssal Scepter which will bring you to 60 flat magic penetration just from items... add in runes and masteries and you're doing true damage to anyone who isn't stacking MR. (if there's no Soraka) I personally like buying it on bursty mid champs like Eve, Katarina, LeBlanc, etc... Once you're ahead you'll be running around doing true damage to people.[/quote]

[quote=Yukimaru]Haunting Guise is actually pretty decent, for the magic pen alone, it ignores 20 Magic res of the enemie, so you basicly are like "Hey, im here now, fighting you, and you have 20% less effective health(so instead of 180% 160% or something!), got a Problem with that?", gives AP and some Health, but usually there are more important items to build and the lack of that it cant be builded into some late game or maybe just mid game item makes it bad.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot][quote=Yukimaru] Haunting Guise is actually pretty decent, for the magic pen alone, it ignores 20 Magic res of the enemie, so you basicly are like "Hey, im here now, fighting you, and you have 20% less effective health(so instead of 180% 160% or something!), got a Problem with that?", gives AP and some Health, but usually there are more important items to build and the lack of that it cant be builded into some late game or maybe just mid game item makes it bad. [/quote] Those percentages are off. it is flat 20 Mpen. So it "removes" 20 of the enemy mres. They start with 30. If they have 30 then they suddenly have 10. Have you runed for mpen? Then they have 1.5 if only marks. 1.5 mres increases life with about the same...[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]And with [[sorcerer's shoes]] they have 0. Waitwhat, if the enemy has 30 mr and you get [[sorcerer's shoes]]+ runes, you don't need [[haunting guise]]. Only if they have scaling mr or building early mres it is usefull.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]NicknameMy ENEMIES BUY ITEMS AS WELL.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, not many buy big mres early. And if they do, you can get [[haunting guise]].[/quote]

[quote=Last Plagas]The main problem with items like [[Brutalizer]] and [[Haunting Guise]] is the fact that you can counter them with items that cost five times less than them. [[Haunting Guise]] gives you 20 mpen and costs 1485 gold and you can't build it into anything useful mid\lategame so you will have to sell it. [[Null-magic mantle]] costs 400 gold, gvies you 24 mr and you can build it into [[Mercury's treads]], [[Guardian Angel]], [[Maw of Malmortius]], [[wit's end]], [[Aegis of the legion]] all of which are useful at all stages in the game or benefit your team in some way. [[Brutalizer]] gives you 15 armor penetration and 10% cdr, costs 1337 gold and builds into [[Youmuu's ghostblade]]. [[Cloth armor]] costs 300 gold, gives you 18 armor and builds into [[Ninja tabi]], [[Frozen Heart]], [[Randuin's Omen]], [[Aegis of the Legion]], [[Guardian Angel]] and some other stuff. [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] also doesn't give you much. As a bruiser who needs to jump the carries\soak up the damage, would you really need 20% ms and 50% as? You will usually have enough damage with just the [[Trinity force]] or [[Bloodthirster]] to kill their carry. And if you need cdr you can just buy [[Frozen Heart]] thus becoming more tanky and debuffing their whole team. If you have some gold to spend and want to snowball further in lane I'd suggest buying items like [[Hextech Gunblade]], [[Deathfire Grasp]], [[Spirit Visage]], [[Abyssal Scepter]] on AP carries. There isn't much to choose from on bruisers in terms on snowball. [[Bloodthirster]] and [[Last whisper]] maybe (but only and only if you're steamrolling your lane).[/quote]

[quote=Hyogetaki Hisame][[The Brutalizer]] and Haunting guise are good on champions who snowball extremely quickly and well in early game. Pantheon is one of those champions who benefits a lot from an early [[The Brutalizer]]. Leblanc is one of those champions who benefits decently from an early [[Haunting guise]]. Also, if you reach that moment in game where you can actually afford more efficient items, you can always sell them to retrieve part of the investment, fact is that [[The Brutalizer]] sell price is only 401 gold lower than the original price, well [[Haunting guise]] is 445 gold lower than the original price. This means that if you get two kills by roaming after you got one of those items, you already managed to get a beneficial margin of 200 gold.[/quote]

[quote=Last Plagas][quote=Hyogetaki Hisame] [[The Brutalizer]] and Haunting guise are good on champions who snowball extremely quickly and well in early game. Pantheon is one of those champions who benefits a lot from an early [[The Brutalizer]]. Leblanc is one of those champions who benefits decently from an early [[Haunting guise]]. [/quote] Yes, [[Brutalizer]] is a nice item on [[Pantheon]], but this [[Lee Sin]] guy just came back in the lane with [[Ninja tabi]] and two [[Doran's blade]], so you only have 5 more ad than him and [[Lee Sin]] has 160 more health. On [[Leblanc]] [[haunting guise]] might work, but in my opinion she really needs early mana regen to harass her opponent in lane, because her spells cost a lot. So I would probably go two [[Doran's ring]] and [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] if you really want to penetrate.[/quote]