AP Nasus?

[quote=CrimsonSkyz]Hello all~ I made this thread to look for opinions on AP [[nasus]]. He was the first champ I ever played( I started LoL during his free week eventually I liked him and bought him). He was really fun but a mana hungry beast. As I started out I always bought [[manamune]] to fix his mana problems. I loved playing him and I pretty much never lost on him. I was totally new so I just built all AD on him all the time. Now that I look back I'm surprised that Glass Cannon [[nasus]] could carry so hard. Eventually I got bored of him and decided to move on. I stopped playing on him ever since I got to level 10 or so until today. I had never played AP [[nasus]] ever, til today when I went to see some [[nasus]] guides. I saw an AP [[nasus]] guide in the top ten guides and I wondered to myself," Wow now that I think about it [[nasus]] seemed to be a force to be reckoned with if built AP. I can't believe I never played him that way?!" So I went to try it out in a custom game and AP [[nasus]] was fun! His [[siphoning strike]] scales best off farm so AD isn't too important. It also scales off his total AD which has a 1.0 AD ratio. If you go AP [[nasus]] you will be improving the damage on [[spirit fire]] and [[fury of the sands]]. With [[lich bane]], each 1 point of AP will indirectly increase the damage of [[siphoning strike]]. AP items are also much cheaper than AD so it is very cost efficient. Only problem is that your normal AAs don't do as much damage without [[siphoning strike]]. Building AP [[nasus]] will also make his [[fury of the sands]] deal a lot of damage! Over time as long as the enemy stay near [[nasus]] while his [[fury of the sands]] is active they will take up to 11% of their max health as magic damage(if they have no MR) EACH SECOND FOR 15 SECONDS!!! They will die in about 10 seconds just by standing next to [[nasus]] during [[fury of the sands]]! Not only that but 6.375% of the damage dealt is turned into bonus AD. AND THERE'S NO CAP TO HOW MUCH BONUS AD [[nasus]] CAN GAIN! The more minions and enemy champs there are the more damage [[nasus]] will deal and gain as bonus AD! The current top rated AP [[nasus]] guide doesn't really work for me. So far my build for AP [[nasus]] is this: [[boots of speed]]+ 3[[health potion]]s-> [[kage's lucky pick]]-> [[catalyst the protector]]-> [[ionian boots of lucidity]]-> [[sheen]]-> [[rod of ages]]-> [[chain vest]]-> [[chalice of harmony]]-> [[lich bane]]-> [[zhonya's hourglass]]-> [[athene's unholy grail]]-> [[guardian angel]] or [[rabadon's deathcap]] I take 0/22/8 masteries: [masteries=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree2=0-2-3-2-4-0-2-1-0-0-1-3-3-0-0-1&tree3=0-3-0-1-4-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2] I like standard tanky masteries as I play AP [[nasus]] solo top not mid. There isn't anything else very useful in the utility mastery tree so the last point I place in [[siege commander]]. That way I can take down turrets faster and roam earlier. It will also help my teammates push. I don't like to be dead so I take [[good hands]]. [[improved recall]] gets me back to spawn pool faster by 1 second so I heal faster and can get back to lane. Eventually over the course of the game it saves me a lot of time. For runes I just use the same runes I use for [[warwick]]: [runes=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/rune-page-planner#&rune=351:9-262:9-283:9-259:3] Magic pen is needed if a huge chunk of your damage is magic based. Armor because I am solo top. MR per level because even though I'm AP [[nasus]] I still build somewhat tanky. MSpeed Quints to make [[nasus]] very mobile allowing him to get back to his lane faster, roam effectively after laning phase, and chase enemy champs since his [[wither]] is single target and I have no items with slow procs. As for skill order: [abilities=qeweereqeqrqqwwrww champion=nasus] 1st point in [[siphoning strike]] because early game [[nasus]] is still about farming whether or not he goes AP or AD. It gives a 1v1 advantage and you need to farm early to get it strong. Getting [[spirit fire]] first will only make [[nasus]] a pusher and vulnerable to ganks. At level 2 I decide to take [[spirit fire]] so that I can zone out the enemy laner. I don't spam it too much or else I will push too hard and run oom. At level 3 I take [[wither]] to help create a successful gank when my jungler arrives. If the jungler ganks earlier then I'll take [[wither]] at level 2 instead of [[spirit fire]]. Then because I'm AP [[nasus]] I max [[spirit fire]] first. [[siphoning strike]] next because it will lower the cooldown allowing me to farm more and about half the damage AP [[nasus]] does will rely on proccing [[lich bane]] with [[siphoning strike]]. [[nasus]]'s other abilities have relatively long cooldowns so maxing [[siphoning strike]] is important. Well that's about it on how I play/plan on playing him. What are your builds/masteries/runes/opinions for AP [[nasus]]?[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]Well I haven't played him much, but when I did play him I played him mid, and my laning phase was pretty much the same as Morgana's. Afk farm with E. And from what I've heard of AP nasus, most of his damage is meant to come from afk'ing in the middle of their team with his ult on, rather than [[siphoning strike]].[/quote]

[quote=CrimsonSkyz][quote=Vapora Dark] Well I haven't played him much, but when I did play him I played him mid, and my laning phase was pretty much the same as Morgana's. Afk farm with E. And from what I've heard of AP nasus, most of his damage is meant to come from afk'ing in the middle of their team with his ult on, rather than [[siphoning strike]]. [/quote] True maybe I exaggerated too much on how much damage comes from [[siphoning strike]]+ [[lich bane]]. More like 1/4 or 1/5? I'd rather spam Q than just afk in the middle of the team though lol. Kill a lot faster :D. I might try that one day though. Watch everyone on their team focus me while I afk and do huge chunks of damage each second xD. Or while they focus my carries and ignore the tanky-ish [[nasus]] next to them that's doing around 10% of their max health each second lol.[/quote]

[quote=CrimsonSkyz]Maybe I should try him mid :O. Farming like [[morgana]]?! I can watch movies or youtube videos while I let my [[spirit fire]] do all the work :D[/quote]

[quote=Anastasios]Full AP Nasus still deals 90% of his damage as physical bacause of [[lich bane]]. You go top, farm all day long like rehular nasus, and buy tanky AP itmes (RoA, Abyssal n stuph). Buy a lich bane, hit your farmed q for 1k, profit.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]I remember realease Nasus, where his ulty scaled 1/1 with ap. Silly riot.. D:[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]That build doesn't leave you very tanky tbh. Whenever I get him in ARAMs, I end the game with, in no particular order, [[Deathcap]], [[Abyssal scepter]], [[Lich Bane]], [[Frozen Heart]], [[Ionian boots of lucidity]] and then a situational item. Yes, I have gotten pentas with it. 2 times in fact. :P I'm using standard AP masteries too so, take that as you will.[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]fun to play, but easily countered.[/quote]

[quote=SunnyLi]Bad thing is that your R can only do at most 240 damage per second per enemy .[/quote]