Trinity Force on champions

[quote=ShortyHUN]Basically i was derping around on MOBAfire and some other sites, and i noticed... well... [[trinity force]]. I know it's an expensive as hell item, but thats not the problem. I see people using it on a lot of champions, what bothers me is that they use it on champions that barely benefit from it... Or don't use it on ones that benefit a crap load from it... Seriously what the hell? Trinity Force gives: [color=#ff0000]-[/color] Low AD and AP [color=#ff0000]-[/color] Low Crit% [color=#ff8000]0[/color] Some Mana [color=#ff8000]0[/color] Occasional slow [color=#008000]+[/color] Nice chunk of HP [color=#008000]+[/color] Nice MS bonus [color=#008000]+[/color] Nice AttSpeed bonus [color=#008000]+++[/color] Just Spellblade Just looking at this proves it fits attack speed based champs with low CDs... Just why should I put it on [[jarvan]] or [[irelia]], they have high CD compared to the spellblade's CD, while champs like [[jax]], [[shyvana]] or even [[ezreal]] can use it pretty insane. Also there are champs that can pretty much cycle skills to keep up the spellblade, and not waste time and gold build a [[trinity force]]. Im intrested about opinions, and constructive criticism.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Triforce on carries doesn't work too well (corki might be an exception), because it too expensive for what it does. Sure, it gives a little bit of everything, but sometimes, you would just want to build tanky + damage to counter an opposing top laner, or something. Shyvana doesn't use Triforce very well. Junglers don't have the monies to buy that shit. Ezreal likes frozen fist better. That AoE slow is ridiculously outrageous! Triforce works okay on jarvan, because he already has such a high base damage. The extra attack speed synergizes with his E, the mana helps with E + Q + R combos, and it gives a little bit of health. That said, triforce isnt a common pick on jarvan nowadays. It's more common to see a frozen mallet, black cleavers, and warmogs on him, because people realize that he does a lot of damage even if he builds super tanky. Triforce works okay on irelia because the spellblade, slow, movespeed, and attack speed synergize well with [[hiten style]], making a near unkitable, heavy hitting anticarry.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Because [[irelia]] doesn't have a spell with low-cd that can continously trigger spellblade - whereas her base-ad is not among the 20 highest in the game, aside from that she doesn't benefit from AS since [[hiten style]] isn't the strongest part and main damage of her kit.. Health and movespeed are both useless on a melee bruiser-assasin relying on auto-attacks to do damage. The slow is useless as well, especially since your Q procs it so you can have extra hits in on getting the passive activated, and the CC is not needed because of your e not only being unreliable as a stun but having a high cooldown.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=utopus] Triforce on carries doesn't work too well (corki might be an exception), because it too expensive for what it does. Sure, it gives a little bit of everything, but sometimes, you would just want to build tanky + damage to counter an opposing top laner, or something. Shyvana doesn't use Triforce very well. Junglers don't have the monies to buy that shit. Ezreal likes frozen fist better. That AoE slow is ridiculously outrageous! Triforce works okay on jarvan, because he already has such a high base damage. The extra attack speed synergizes with his E, the mana helps with E + Q + R combos, and it gives a little bit of health. That said, triforce isnt a common pick on jarvan nowadays. It's more common to see a frozen mallet, black cleavers, and warmogs on him, because people realize that he does a lot of damage even if he builds super tanky. Triforce works okay on irelia because the spellblade, slow, movespeed, and attack speed synergize well with [[hiten style]], making a near unkitable, heavy hitting anticarry. [/quote] I'd like to point out that your first 3 points are wrong. Trinity Force is better than PD on Corki because he uses his abilities for damage as well as auto-attacks, so he isn't as reliant on the attack speed, but he gains a ton of damage from the proc, chasing power from the slow, and he still gets crit and AS from triforce. Same as Ezreal, except that Ez has an AS steroid as well. Ezreal does not like Frozen Fist better, not only do you do comparatively less damage than someone who went any other offensive AD item, the kiting isn't even always necessary. Are you going to buy it against, say, against an Assassin team? How about a team that's already easily kited? Completely unnecessary and gimps your damage output. Shyvana with a Triforce is some scary shit man.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]shyvana tf is scary and eats you alive. combine with botrk and you'll shit your pants. also, graves is funneh with bruiser builds. =3[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]uh, Frozen fist got nerfed for ranged champs anyways...like...the slow's area is teeny on ranged champs now...>_>[/quote]

[quote=ShortyHUN][[shyvana]] just benefits from every damn thing in [[trinity force]] :P. Oh yea [[graves]] is another good one. [[jarvan]] is much better with [[frozen mallet]] and similar stuff, while for [[irelia]] i'd say [[zephyr]] is the new sh*t. But still [[jax]] has a freakin 3sec CD [[empower]] or less if you have some CDR... you barely have a delay between the procs... just make sure you have mana[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]troll [[Irelia]] goes for botrk, zephyr and spirit visage. =3[/quote]

[quote=ShortyHUN]lolz, sounds like a pain in the ass Lately i tried to build more cost efficiently instead of getting all the high end stuff 1-by-1. [[trinity force]] worths it for only a few champions.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=ShortyHUN] [[shyvana]] just benefits from every damn thing in [[trinity force]] :P. Oh yea [[graves]] is another good one. [[jarvan]] is much better with [[frozen mallet]] and similar stuff, while for [[irelia]] i'd say [[zephyr]] is the new sh*t. But still [[jax]] has a freakin 3sec CD [[empower]] or less if you have some CDR... you barely have a delay between the procs... just make sure you have mana [/quote] zephyr is rather bad on irelia tbh. If you're going for a purely offensive item blade or tri-force is where it's at.[/quote]