Gragas and AP focus

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, so how to combine these ideas? What items we need? [[rabadon's deathcap]] [[abyssal scepter]] [[zhonya's hourglass]] [[warmog's armor]] or [[rod of ages]] [[morellonomicon]] [[sorcerer's shoes]] Situational: [[ionian boots of lucidity]], [[void staff]] (swap out [[morellonomicon]] for [[void staff]] and then also [[sorcerer's shoes]] with [[ionian boots of lucidity]], to keep the Mpen and CDR) Fine for everyone? I also remember the good old Reginald which got 40% with blue buff aswell on [[gragas]] and got with that a pentakill against CLG Prime, because nobody could stop his ultimate poke, not even HSGG [[nidalee]].[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]That item combo is killer, best imo with [[Rod of Ages]]. Over the past few days I've been doing the exact same thing and things have gone very well: [[Rod of Ages]] [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] Then I either go for a [[Morellonomicon]] to poke like no tomorrow or an AP/mitigation item like [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] or [[Abyssal Scepter]] if things are getting out of hand. Sometimes I finish with these three, or at least try to. If the game is going well for us, I usually just finish with [[Void Staff]] and/or [[Lich Bane]] to stack up those kills. All the being said, I still feel like I'm not even close to a 'go-to' build. There are so many possible combinations that also depend on what your opponent is building that I wonder if I'll ever have such a build. Trying out stuff like [[Liandry's Torment]] and switching between [[Athene's Unholy Grail]] and [[Morellonomicon]] and shit like that.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]You don't have to play [[gragas]] as AP anyway, you can also play him as tank: [img]http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/843/tankgragas.png[/img] This game was just at PBE but it showed me how high potential he has as full tank. His damage while building full tank is still super high thanks to offensive masteries + AD runes + [[drunken rage]]. [[drunken rage]] and [[happy hour]] make traits also way more favorarble. And for CC, he has a giant initiating tool, he has a ms-slow and an as-slow. You hit harder then a critmare and still have more survivability early, especially if you get [[elixir of fortitude]]. That is then 120 AD at lvl 1 and around 180 at level 6 with just a [[phage]] (i like [[frozen mallet]] on him).[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]why get Phage or FM when you could get an AoE slow out of your barrels and more damage out of them with rylais[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Cuz FM gives more HP and AD aswell. I don't focus at Barrels anyway, I pretty much only use them to slow the enemy AS.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Not personally a big fan of RoA on Gragas anymore. You generally want to demolish a team with a well-placed ultimate and clean up, not rush into a bunch of bruisers and tank a lot of damage. [icon=morellonomicon] [icon=sorcerer's shoes] [icon=zhonya's hourglass] [icon=void staff] [icon=rabadon's deathcap] ^That would probably work fine. You can figure out what you want for your 5th item. I know some people like [[Lich Bane]], but I'm not a big fan of it since you're a melee AoE caster. Pretty nice for 1v1s and small skirmishes though. You could go with the aforementioned [[Rod of Ages]] if you prefer, or pick up a [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] for slowing poke if that's what your team comp is doing. Not sure if [[Liandry's Torment]] is a great idea because you have a lot of burst and fairly long cooldowns. I don't think [[Athene's Unholy Grail]] is necessary considering you get some mana sustain from your W. Better to get the cheaper sustain from [[Morellonomicon]].[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][[Athene's Unholy Grail]] is a better option than [[Morellonomicon]] if they have a high burst AP mid, such as [[Syndra]] or something.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Anyone ever try a Gragas with double CDRs ([[Morellonomicon]]+[[Athene's Unholy Grail]])? How mana hungry is this monster?[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Anyone ever try a Gragas with double CDRs ([[Morellonomicon]]+[[Athene's Unholy Grail]])? How mana hungry is this monster?[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=DillButt64] why get Phage or FM when you could get an AoE slow out of your barrels and more damage out of them with rylais [/quote] I'm assuming you know that [[barrel roll]] doesn't slow movement speed. [[Body Slam]] does. Tank Gragas is a thing, just not a super effective thing.[/quote]