Proper Runes for Jungling With Sejuani

[quote=IceCreamy]Why has no one mentioned Armor Marks? I'd take either those or MPen Marks.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]marks are reds, are they not?[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy][quote=Satella] Are these single-trial clear times or averaged over several runs? The difference of 2 seconds seems small enough that it could be an error (and tricks like stutter-stepping camps and wall-jumping to minimize travel time can save anywhere from 5 to 20 seconds per clear, at least on the other junglers I've tested). Some quick math shows that your clear times don't add up, since 9x AP marks gives you: [list] [*]0.59 * 9 * 0.1 * 6 = [color=#00ffff]3.186 additional magic damage[/color] per cast of [[Northern Winds]] assuming you stick to the target for the whole 6 seconds [*]0.59 * 9 * 0.4 = [color=#00ffff]2.124 additional magic damage[/color] per cast of [[Arctic Assault]] [*]0.59 * 9 * 0.5 = [color=#00ffff]2.655 additional magic damage[/color] per cast of [[Permafrost]] [/list] This is so negligible that it might as well not exist. Considering that one autoattack at level 1 with [[Hunter's Machete]] deals 57.4 * 1.1 + 10 = [color=#ff8000]73.14 damage[/color], AS marks should give you a significantly faster clear time. [quote]Without these runes, Sejuani will still autoattack faster than once every 3 seconds, so why does she need AS runes to help?[/quote] Faster attack speed = faster autoattack animation = easier kiting Holds true for both melee and ranged champions. [/quote] For some reason you only put the +10% extra damage part on autoattacks :P. Since this +10% damage applies to both abilities and autoattacks, there is no reason to take it in consideration (by the way it doesn't affect the +10 flat damage on each autoattack since true damage is true damage). You also didn't correctly calculate the extra damage from AP Marks on [[flail of the northern winds]] (by the way [[northern winds]] no longer exists lol) and you didn't actually calculate the extra damage from AS Marks. I am disappoint. Very disappoint. (intended bad grammar) The total AP ratio of the abilities together is 180%. 0.59*9*1.8 = 9.56 extra damage Let's say [[sejuani]] is level 3 and is fighting a jungle monster with 15 armor. Her base attack speed is 0.670 (holy shit that is high), meaning that 9 AS Marks give an extra 1.7*9/100*0.670 = 0.10251 extra attacks per second A level 3 [[sejuani]] deals 61.9 physical damage + 10 true damage on each autoattack. That means 63.83 damage on each autoattack because of Armor. The AS increase gives us 6.54 [b]extra damage per second[/b] on that jungle creature. For AS Marks to be more effective than AP Marks, the fight needs to last more than 9.56/6.54 = 1.46 seconds. That means, [b][u]always.[/u][/b] AS Marks win! Also, AS Marks make your autoattack animation smaller as Satella said so that helps. It also allows you to use [[red buff]] even more. So yeah, AS Marks definitely win lol I've always used AS Marks, they used to be even better before rework because it allowed [[sejuani]] to apply her passive more consistently because of smaller autoattack animations. Armor Marks are also okay.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]I posted this before the Sejuani rework lol. Thanks for doing actual math on this instead of my lazy-ass 2-minute calculations though :P[/quote]