Proxy Singed

[quote=Totallynotn00b][quote=tehAsian] What if you pick Yi and just farm up enough money to backdoor all their towers? o.o Not to mention great sustain with Meditate if you ever need it and awesome wave clear with Alpha Strike. [/quote] Then singed will just say *oh how cute you're trying to push the wave. Welp. Cya* and run past when yis trying to back door. I dunno. Doesn't stop singed from farming. TEam fight happens Singed is still infinitely more useful.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]I was a fed [[Riven]] and I could not do shit because I was stuck top lane and Singed killing minions causes the bottom two lanes to be incapable of leaving their lanes either, allowing the enemy team to do whatever the fuck they want until the jungler chases down and kills [[singed]]. Him merely existing creates pressure on all three lanes, which is significantly more ridiculous than you would think. (If you leave lane to teamfight, you are GUARANTEED lose turrets, because you have no minions.) Anyone saying this can be countered has not played against a competent [[singed]], this has to be addressed either by making minions more powerful or making champion bounties have a lower cap of 200g.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=tehAsian] What if you pick Yi and just farm up enough money to backdoor all their towers? o.o Not to mention great sustain with Meditate if you ever need it and awesome wave clear with Alpha Strike. [/quote] For one, chances are you won't have minions to tank the tower because [[singed]] just farmed them all in between towers. I just played against one. If anyone tried to kill him, he'd suicide or run away. If you left him alone to wave clear, he'd get maximum farm without missing a single CS, buy tanky-AP items, rinse-repeat until he practically does it under Nexus turrets. Then suddenly, not a single lane gets minion waves. Because they're all being farmed by [[singed]]. But then if they deal with [[singed]], the rest of the enemy team pushes the advantage. This is so retardly impossible to deal with. You need a champion that is able to protect towers from being pushed whilst being able to kill [[singed]] in between towers both at the same time. [quote=Satella]Anyone saying this can be countered has not played against a competent Singed, this has to be addressed either by making minions more powerful or making champion bounties have a lower cap of 200g.[/quote] Yeah, but making minions harder to kill will also be a detriment to every other champion as well, not just [[singed]], and the capping on bounties to 200g will bring back another problem that was meant to be addressed by the diminishing returns, which was heavy snowballing. It might solve the [[singed]] problem, but create a whole plethora of other champion imbalances, I suspect. I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but as it stands, [[singed]] is a champion I would advocate to just outright remove from the game, or otherwise rework him, but I don't think there would be a way to do so without ruining the basis on which [[singed]] revolves. Yet it's that very same basis which is making him impossible to counter right now.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]I do think Tryndamere is probably one of the better picks against this strategy. If you want to really screw with Singed, pick a Jarvan jungle too. If Singed tries to fight Trynd early in lane, have Jarvan come and gank him. If he proxies, Tryndamere with LS quints and a doran's blade should be able to farm indefinitely. Later, when you have something like [[statikk shiv]] and [[blade of the ruined king]], you should be able to kill singed pretty easily with a little help. The thing with proxying is that it doesn't actually net your team any global gold or put you at an advantage if your lane opponent can tank the minion wave. Against proxy singed, you can't really kill his turret unless he's dead, but he can't kill yours either. All you have to do is get a few kills on him while he's worth gold, then hope your team has the better 4v4 until death timers get long enough that you can take towers while Singed is dead. Also proxying is complete garbage if Singed's team is losing. The only way I see it as a bit broken is that if Singed's team is winning 4v4 and the enemy team comp doesn't have the right champions to deal with him, it's almost impossible to do anything. Also has anyone talked about lane swapping yet? I would think a duo top might prove difficult for Singed to deal with. EDIT: Oh, I didn't address the whole proxying in your base thing. If Singed is proxying all of your team's minions, he's stealing a crap ton of farm from his team. Have your team free farm lanes for a bit, then just beat up the other team. If all Singed is doing all game is farming, that gold goes to waste.[/quote]

[quote=Absolute.0]This is absurd. I want to try it o_O. Can somebody teach me?[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=Absolute.0] This is absurd. I want to try it o_O. Can somebody teach me? [/quote] Pick Singed. Walk between enemy outer turrets/ Press Q. Farm. Give no shits. TP back in when you die. Try not to die too much early.[/quote]

[quote=Napoleon D]The only way to defeat proxy singed, IS WITH PROXY TRYNDAMERE. FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE. But seriously i saw this on druidroid's stream, he lost the game because tryndamere outscales singed. Basically when you proxy with tryndamere the enemys are left in a dliema, should they chase someone who could just ghost and spin away or let the two top laners proxy farm to 400 cs. Althogh proxy tryndamere could beat singed in terms of proxying, he will not beat singed in lane.[/quote]

[quote=Totallynotn00b][quote=tehAsian] [quote=Absolute.0] This is absurd. I want to try it o_O. Can somebody teach me? [/quote] Pick Singed. Walk between enemy outer turrets/ Press Q. Farm. Give no shits. TP back in when you die. Try not to die too much early. [/quote] Your last step is wrong. It's: "DOn't be afraid to die, as eventually you'll be worth less than a minion. However, do try to get the farm before you snuff it". There's going 0/10 yet with 200 farm at 20 minutes, and 0/10 with 80. D+[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=PsiGuard] Also has anyone talked about lane swapping yet? I would think a duo top might prove difficult for Singed to deal with. [/quote] I don't really see how this would work any better. You start by also putting a teammate into a 1v2 situation, so they are under pressure instead. And now that you have two people trying to chase [[singed]], he still does the same thing and you've just wasted the same amount of manpower to do it as if you had a jungler come and gank. You might be able to clear [[singed]]'s minions easily, but you won't be able to push his towers, because he's farming between your towers. Leaving one to clear wave and the other to kill [[singed]] also exerts just as much manpower as if you had a jungler come gank solotop. You just end up with pressure elsewhere. I'm not sure this addresses the situation any better.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=sirell] [quote=PsiGuard] Also has anyone talked about lane swapping yet? I would think a duo top might prove difficult for Singed to deal with. [/quote] I don't really see how this would work any better. You start by also putting a teammate into a 1v2 situation, so they are under pressure instead. And now that you have two people trying to chase [[singed]], he still does the same thing and you've just wasted the same amount of manpower to do it as if you had a jungler come and gank. You might be able to clear [[singed]]'s minions easily, but you won't be able to push his towers, because he's farming between your towers. Leaving one to clear wave and the other to kill [[singed]] also exerts just as much manpower as if you had a jungler come gank solotop. You just end up with pressure elsewhere. I'm not sure this addresses the situation any better. [/quote] I was thinking you could keep him off the minion wave with two people top, plus you could break his tower with your jungler immediately if you're able to kill him. I suppose it could still be a problem if he immediately proxies instead of starting in lane.[/quote]