Is Madred's better or worse?

[quote=Deadlydave]Just wondering what some peoples opinions are on the new Madred's Razor.[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]I Like the new [[Madred's Razors]] because there is no chance of accidentally taking a buff that you promise to a laner, although the randomness of the old one was fun yet soemtimes annoying because it didnt proc on the bigger monsters but procced on 2 or 3 smaller monsters in a row[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][[Madred's Bloodrazor]] is an old item that has been removed from the game for some time now. I believe you meant to write [[Madred's Razors]]. To answer your question, I don't see how old Madred's could be seen as better. RNG is generally a pretty un-fun and unsatisfying game element that Riot has already taken steps to eliminate from their game. The only thing the old Madred's did that was different was proc on buffs you were trying to donate to a teammate, sometimes instantly clear camps and sometimes not proc at all, making you take an extremely long time with a buff camp. Knowing what to expect from your champion's attacks and abilities and performing mental calculations are part of what makes this game fun and challenging. Getting caught at dragon and dying just because your razors decided not to proc much is stupid, as is being able to clear a buff camp in a couple seconds because of a random stroke of luck.[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]That's pretty much what I said Psi and I think everyone realized that he meant [[Madred's Razors]][/quote]

[quote=Deadlydave][quote=PsiGuard] [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] is an old item that has been removed from the game for some time now. I believe you meant to write [[Madred's Razors]]. To answer your question, I don't see how old Madred's could be seen as better. RNG is generally a pretty un-fun and unsatisfying game element that Riot has already taken steps to eliminate from their game. The only thing the old Madred's did that was different was proc on buffs you were trying to donate to a teammate, sometimes instantly clear camps and sometimes not proc at all, making you take an extremely long time with a buff camp. Knowing what to expect from your champion's attacks and abilities and performing mental calculations are part of what makes this game fun and challenging. Getting caught at dragon and dying just because your razors decided not to proc much is stupid, as is being able to clear a buff camp in a couple seconds because of a random stroke of luck. [/quote] Thanks for catching me on the Madred's thing.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=IShouldGetALife] That's pretty much what I said Psi and I think everyone realized that he meant [[Madred's Razors]] [/quote] No, it's not. You said what you liked, what you didn't like, and what you thought was fun. I said why it's a toxic game element and part of a group of RNG elements (including CrC and dodge chance) that Riot is looking to minimize.[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]I highlighted, in my own way the fact that the random aspect removed the fun from the game and it hindered donating buffs and the fact that is wasn't always beneficial, again was said in my own way so if it wasn't clear I'm sorry but thats the way I speak.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]So far, I've tried it on Lee and Shyv. I really really like it on Lee since you have your passive which constantly procs it, and it felt amazing since I was clearing super fast. Don't really like it on Shyv, since double proccing old Madreds with Q, even though it was rare-ish, was infinitely better. Also, no steroids made it feel kinda weak :/[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]I haven't had the chance to play with the changes but I'm looking forward to it with xin.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=tehAsian] So far, I've tried it on Lee and Shyv. I really really like it on Lee since you have your passive which constantly procs it, and it felt amazing since I was clearing super fast. Don't really like it on Shyv, since double proccing old Madreds with Q, even though it was rare-ish, was infinitely better. Also, no steroids made it feel kinda weak :/ [/quote] I don't like the idea on Lee since a lot of people are getting [[sightstone]] which basically makes the wriggle's ward superfluous. Shyv seems like she'd use it well though. Maybe you just liked double proccing too much. :P Were you running AS marks?[/quote]