AP Warwick

[quote=Vapora Dark]And one of them has a very high mana cost, yet needs to be spammed in order for AP Warwick to work.[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy][quote=NicknameMy] His Q has a 100% AP ratio (and 80% of that is healed) and Nashor's has a 15% AP ratio, which procs on his ultimate. If you strike a huge HP guy with your Q, your heal is just insane. BTW Dark: Wouldn't you get [[spirit of the spectral wraith]] for the even higher heal? And which tools does Warwick have to get up tear quickly? He has 3 abilities with long cooldowns. [/quote] Yes it sounds really good :3. Especially since his ult completely works with it (I think lol). About the Tear... No idea :D. [[rod of ages]] is for faggets tho :D. [[athene's unholy grail]] sounds really cool too.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I think his ult works with lifesteal, as he gains 30% lifesteal while ulting. "Each damaging strike applies on-hit effects, life steal, and maximum stacks of [[Eternal Thirst]]. "[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]His ult does apply lifesteal, but it's also a spell, and should therefore, apply spell vamp. Never tested it though.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]There is something really interesting here: "The lifesteal from [[Infinite Duress]] affects magic damage on-hit effect items such as [[Nashor's Tooth]], [[Wit's End]] or [[lich bane]], unlike normal lifesteal. It is uncertain whether additional lifesteal stacks and works alike with the 30% lifesteal from this ability." This still opens up questions. What happens if you got spellvamp? What happens if you get more lifesteal? Are physical damage on-hit effects also affected? It is really strange.[/quote]

[quote=SpawnOfHell][quote=NicknameMy] There is something really interesting here: "The lifesteal from [[Infinite Duress]] affects magic damage on-hit effect items such as [[Nashor's Tooth]], [[Wit's End]] or [[lich bane]], unlike normal lifesteal. It is uncertain whether additional lifesteal stacks and works alike with the 30% lifesteal from this ability." This still opens up questions. What happens if you got spellvamp? What happens if you get more lifesteal? Are physical damage on-hit effects also affected? It is really strange. [/quote] Any ability which states that it applies on-hits will never apply on spell effects (spell vamp). The only exception I can think of is [[fizz]]'s [[urchin strike]] (I think) which applies both [[lich bane]] procs and [[rylai's crystal scepter]] slow. I'm not even sure if it works with spell vamp. I'm almost certain [[infinite duress]] does not apply spell vamp. I built [[hextech gunblade]] on WW a few times (experimental builds, don't ask) and barely felt any difference in how much I healed between autoattacks and using my ultimate. Lifesteal, yes it does. My friend did a [[the bloodthirster]]/[[ravenous hydra]]/[[blade of the ruined king]] build on Warwick several times. Really stupid, but the amount of healing he was getting when he ulted was insane. Physical on-hits... should try that out. Maybe get someone to stack tons of health and get BotRK. IIRC it's the only physical on-hit item in the game right now though.[/quote]

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[quote=DarkPercy][quote=SpawnOfHell] [quote=NicknameMy] There is something really interesting here: "The lifesteal from [[Infinite Duress]] affects magic damage on-hit effect items such as [[Nashor's Tooth]], [[Wit's End]] or [[lich bane]], unlike normal lifesteal. It is uncertain whether additional lifesteal stacks and works alike with the 30% lifesteal from this ability." This still opens up questions. What happens if you got spellvamp? What happens if you get more lifesteal? Are physical damage on-hit effects also affected? It is really strange. [/quote] Any ability which states that it applies on-hits will never apply on spell effects (spell vamp). The only exception I can think of is [[fizz]]'s [[urchin strike]] (I think) which applies both [[lich bane]] procs and [[rylai's crystal scepter]] slow. I'm not even sure if it works with spell vamp. I'm almost certain [[infinite duress]] does not apply spell vamp. I built [[hextech gunblade]] on WW a few times (experimental builds, don't ask) and barely felt any difference in how much I healed between autoattacks and using my ultimate. Lifesteal, yes it does. My friend did a [[the bloodthirster]]/[[ravenous hydra]]/[[blade of the ruined king]] build on Warwick several times. Really stupid, but the amount of healing he was getting when he ulted was insane. Physical on-hits... should try that out. Maybe get someone to stack tons of health and get BotRK. IIRC it's the only physical on-hit item in the game right now though. [/quote] 1- [[fizz]]'s [[urchin strike]] has two seperate and distinct parts. One that deals physical damage and applies on-hit, and one that does magic damage and applies [[rylai's crystal scepter]]/Spell Vamp. The two parts do damage at the same time, this is why it's confusing. 2- Except it's NOT physical damage. Your entire AD is converted into magic damage exactly like with [[poppy]]'s Q and [[mordekaiser]]'s Q. It's simply NOT 5 autoattacks because you can't crit and it's not affected by armor pen of lifesteal (well, it shouldn't since it does entirely MAGIC DAMAGE and lifesteal does NOT normally work with magic damage). The animation is 5 autoattacks but it's simply a spell that does 200% of your AD as magic damage and applies 5 on-hit effects, and heals you for 30% of the total damage done by all those things (I think). How it works with lifesteal/spell vamp? I've tried to figure out multiple times and gave up everytime... there's nothing to understand. If we go with logic, it should work with spell vamp since it's magic damage.... but let's say you have [[blade of the ruined king]] and it does 5 hits which all do 5% of the enemy's current HP? What happens? Incredibly confusing. And LoLwiki has got some stuff wrong so don't use it as a godly reference. For example, the extra on-hit damage from [[Lich Bane]] or [[wit's end]] do not even seem to actually heal you during the ult, like LoLWiki states.[/quote]

[quote=Alcasea]i think that spell vamp would be applied to WW ulti for the reason stated that 1. Spell vamp - "Spell vamp is a magic stat that works as a counterpart of life steal. However, instead of regenerating health based on basic attacks, the regeneration of health is based on damage done by champion abilities." ~lolwiki 2. [[Infinite duress]] is actually a 1.8 second channeling spell. but in addition to that it also applies on hit effects. so what does that means ? it means that ID is actually just any regular spell that also add an on hit effect for 5 times. this would mean that you would technically gain "LIFESTEAL" in a form of a spell vamp. also on the account that building ravenous,BT and BOTRK, please note that ID scales of AD and added AD means more spell vamp(still a hypothesis). [i]that statement would also place us to why spell vamp does NOT really increase his ulti. the reason is that building flat ad will give you more lifesteal during ID than just building straight up spell vamp.[/i]* i might be wrong and haven't done the math* but i will try to test this out later this day. also note that all of this is a hypothesis and a speculations form some of the given facts. also i have been formulating an ap ww jungle and still in progress[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]It's simply an old confusing skill description... WW deals magic damage instead of physcial one, but for the rest, he's simply autohitting. And he gains +30% LS and a full stacked Eternal Thirst against the target while using Duress. And he's not using spell vamp, because WW's applying magic damage with "autohits", which doesn't work with spell vamp. The only thing Riot did wrong here is using the term "lifsteal" while making WW dealing magic damage. I guess they didn't want Duress to deal physical dmg so that AD WW didn't become too powerful back in the days. In this unique case lifsteal works with magic dmg, that's all.[/quote]