Help and Advice on making a Fiora Build

[quote=sirell][quote=MyBloodisBlack] The comparison between [[Orianna]] and [[Fiora]] was that they both have a unique style of gameplay, nothing more I dont recall saying their skills were simular at all, now I can understand what you are saying she does lack certain things I agree but if you are foolish enough to play like she does have these or play like she wont be affected then is that Fiora fault or the players. If she is easily caught in ganks, do you keep playing like she isnt or do you in a way that makes it harder to catch her out? I said it before Fiora is a champion to adapt to not one that adapts to the players way of playing, if this is too difficult then Fiora is a 'bad champion' but I cant blame Fiora for that, its just that player is poor at adapting simple as. [/quote] Well, it's not just a matter of changing play styles. Since she's vulnerable to ganks, she can almost never go full aggressive on the enemy. On top of this, the enemy can easily go full aggressive onto HER, because she has no escapes and no defensive skills to protect herself. She just get zoned by EVERYTHING and has trouble farming even under turret, especially if the enemy can still harass you under turret, which a fair few of her matchups can. If you get zoned, you get no CS. If you get no CS, you get no items. If you get no items, she's even more useless. A lot of champions have at least SOME method of farming, even under turret. It's not the fault of the player that this champion is inherently so weak. If I were to make a comparison, it'd be like players trying to choose a representative to go into the coliseum and one picks a lion whilst the other picks a lamb. [[Fiora]] is the lamb. The kit she has is just VASTLY inferior and does not afford her any leeway to win. I mean, honestly speaking, there are two typical matchups that she automatically loses at level 6, because she just can't kill them: [[nasus]] and [[renekton]]. [[fury of the sands]] and [[dominus]] make [[fiora]] automatically lose the lane. It literally doesn't matter how bad the [[nasus]]/[[renekton]] are or how l33t the [[fiora]] is. Being skillful won't suddenly make [[fiora]] able to stick to the enemy as they run away or suddenly give you extra burst or make her able to survive a turret dive by [[nasus]]/[[renekton]]/[[jax]]/[[irelia]][[rumble]]/etc at level 6 without help from someone. When a champion is at THAT much of a disadvantage, the player playing her has already made a mistake by choosing the champion. There are so many other champions that can do what she can do and offer MORE. There's just literally no point in picking [[fiora]] over every other champion in the top lane. I mean, she might have all of 3-4 favourable matchups in the whole of the LoL roster and there just isn't anything 'skill' can do to fix that. Sure, a Diamond player might shit on a Bronzie with [[fiora]], but that shit will just never work against another Diamond player. (Snoopeh got carried in that earlier video, btw. He didn't do shit as jungle [[fiora]] :P)[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD]Look guys, [[Fiora]] isn't awful except that she is. Anyway, the thread isn't about if fiora is any good or not. It's about an item build. What I'd do is rush [[Brutalizer]], [[Ravenous Hydra]], [[Last Whisper]] and then [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]]. [[Blade of the Ruined King]] is a good counterbuild item and [[Guardian Angel]] for survivability.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=MyBloodisBlack] An interesting site however I don't know the pro players as I never watch them, it puts me off playing when you watch people being better than you and knowing you will never get to be as good as that [/quote] Dafuq you improve by looking at better ppl. Westrice played a shitton of Fiora. You can go look at his builds[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Embracing] [quote=MyBloodisBlack] An interesting site however I don't know the pro players as I never watch them, it puts me off playing when you watch people being better than you and knowing you will never get to be as good as that [/quote] Dafuq you improve by looking at better ppl. Westrice played a shitton of Fiora. You can go look at his builds [/quote] Depends, personally I think you improve much more by just practicing yourself but well, if you hit that wall where you keep losing for, to you, unknown reasons; then it might be a good plan to watch others.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]You can improve by watching pros indeed, but you cannot do without practice. If you have no clue what to improve on or what to do differently, you'll need to watch some better players play because otherwise you'll hit a wall. However, you cannot improve by only watching because you'll need to put whatever you've learnt into practice.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Vynertje] You can improve by watching pros indeed, but you cannot do without practice. If you have no clue what to improve on or what to do differently, you'll need to watch some better players play because otherwise you'll hit a wall. However, you cannot improve by only watching because you'll need to put whatever you've learnt into practice. [/quote] So basically what I just said?[/quote]

[quote=sirell]There's a subtle difference between the two. Vyn's point is that if you just practice by yourself, you'll inevitably hit that wall, because it's really hard to recognize mistakes in your play if you don't know you're making them. It'll take someone else pointing it out or noticing that a pro doesn't make this mistake in order to realise. However, if you watch pros, then you can always notice differences between their gameplay and yours; you can learn something the majority of the time. All of this improvement which, without actual practice, you cannot weed out your own mistakes.[/quote]

[quote=pepsiM4A1][quote]You can improve by watching pros indeed, but you cannot do without practice. If you have no clue what to improve on or what to do differently, you'll need to watch some better players play because otherwise you'll hit a wall. However, you cannot improve by only watching because you'll need to put whatever you've learnt into practice.[/quote] I don't agree with you. Whenever I see a pro trying something new, I learn it only by watching but that is only me I guess...[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=pepsiM4A1] I don't agree with you. Whenever I see a pro trying something new, I learn it only by watching but that is only me I guess... [/quote] There's a far cry between learning how something can be done and being able to do it yourself. For example, I've seen so many [[riven]]s jump over walls with Q but I've yet to manage it once (I don't play [[riven]] much).[/quote]

[quote=Satella]Click into the wall then Q. It's like failing [[Flash]] over walls; if you aren't right next to the wall chances are you're not going to make the jump.[/quote]