Atma's Impaler Renekton

[quote=Andrax1][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0] IE is a crap item on Renekton because it doesnt give health and CDR like BC, and it doesnt give lifesteal or Waveclear like Ravenous hydra (Not that I build Ravenous Hydra anyway).[/quote] Renekton is already naturally good at waveclearing. IE gives the most DPS in conjunction with this build, you don't have to get it if you don't like it. Get [[Bloodthirster]] instead. [quote]You cant build DPS or Burst renekton simply because once you get out of lane you have a w that you're going to peel for your CARRIES with, an e that you use as a gapcloser on nobody in particular and an ultimate that isn't used for damage. And you're not going to be auto attacking.[/quote] Renekton's peels are not very good, only one single target CC that when empowered only lasts 1.5 seconds. [quote]The only reason you're build has better defeensive stats than the other builds is Warmogs armor, which I dont have a problem with, but Atmas is NOT a good offensive item because 40 damage<50 and CDR or 70 damage and life steal from BC or hydra. And the AD per % health seems to be the only reason you're using it, otherwise why not get a thorn mail and get even higher base stats than before?[/quote] with 3892 HP you get 58.38 and the fact that it gives you armor means you can get it as your 4th item meaning you can have the damage boost earlier. You get CDR from Ionian boots, you already have a lot of HP from the build, if you prefer life steal, get BT.[/quote] [quote]TLDR: I actually tried Atmas impaler on Rnekton (I was something like 15-5 and we were losing at the time) and it didnt do any noticeable damage, because Renekton out of lane doesn't DO a lot of noticeable damage. [/quote] If you were 15-5 then you didn't lose because you were let down by the atma's was it? The safe atma's build doesn't have much damage output over the meta build, the previous one with FM only had 20 AD over the meta build. If you wanna feel the damage, try the IE build, it's really satisfying to destroy a squishy with a single [[ruthless predator]].[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Put your money where your mouth is and show us the results of this amazing build that you, and you alone, have figured out. Please prove pros wrong.[/quote]

[quote=Xiaowiriamu]Your [b]meta build[/b] on introductory post is [b]correct[/b]. The [color=#ff0000]meta build is the most viable as a general build[/color] Obviously you can swap outside the core, like i've stated, to situational items. Again, [b]Atma on renekton is a bad in comparison[/b] [h2][h3][b]/Thread.[/b][/h3][/h2] [h5]Notes:[/h5] [h5][/h5] [h5][b]"CDR from Ionian boots"[/b] - Great when winning lane vs low CC team, however generally speaking they're bad boots. Spirit visage gives a nice CDR already, and as you know, spirit visage is CORE for renekton.[/h5] [h5][/h5] [h5][b]General meta build vs your "Safe Atmas build"[/b] - Going atmas, you lack AOE damage by removing sunfire and totally prevent Renekton from maximizing his potential with his ult in teamfights. Furthermore you think you're more tanky, and have more sustain by suggesting the word "safe", but again, you got less life steal...so your idea of "safe" is thrown out the window.[/h5] [h5][/h5] [h5][b]So far from this you should of already established you have[/b][/h5] [h5]1. Less AOE damage[/h5] [h5]2. Less presence[/h5] [h5]3. Less sustain[/h5] [h5]4. Generally building more hp = bad since most AD build botrk[/h5] [h5]5. Less damage as a whole[/h5][/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=Xiaowiriamu] Your [b]meta build[/b] on introductory post is [b]correct[/b]. The [color=#ff0000]meta build is the most viable as a general build[/color] Obviously you can swap outside the core, like i've stated, to situational items. Again, [b]Atma on renekton is a bad in comparison[/b] [h2][h3][b]/Thread.[/b][/h3][/h2] [h5]Notes:[/h5] [h5][/h5] [h5][b]"CDR from Ionian boots"[/b] - Great when winning lane vs low CC team, however generally speaking they're bad boots. Spirit visage gives a nice CDR already, and as you know, spirit visage is CORE for renekton.[/h5] [h5][/h5] [h5][b]General meta build vs your "Safe Atmas build"[/b] - Going atmas, you lack AOE damage by removing sunfire and totally prevent Renekton from maximizing his potential with his ult in teamfights. Furthermore you think you're more tanky, and have more sustain by suggesting the word "safe", but again, you got less life steal...so your idea of "safe" is thrown out the window.[/h5] [h5][/h5] [h5][b]So far from this you should of already established you have[/b][/h5] [h5]1. Less AOE damage[/h5] [h5]2. Less presence[/h5] [h5]3. Less sustain[/h5] [h5]4. Generally building more hp = bad since most AD build botrk[/h5] [h5]5. Less damage as a whole[/h5] [/quote] Atmas: Single target damage Sunfire: Multi target damage Ravenous hydra: Multi target damage Renektons Q, R: Multi target damage That in General is why Sunfire/hydra are core items[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Atma's hasn't been viable since stacking health was nerfed and is no longer the meta. The atmogs core used to be great on a ton of bruisers/tanks but now that stacking health is not longer a good idea atma's is bad. With Liandry's, BotRK and more %enemyhp abilities it's better to have higher defenses.[/quote]

[quote=Andrax1][quote=Xiaowiriamu] Your [b]meta build[/b] on introductory post is [b]correct[/b]. The [color=#ff0000]meta build is the most viable as a general build[/color] Obviously you can swap outside the core, like i've stated, to situational items. Again, [b]Atma on renekton is a bad in comparison[/b] [h2][h3][b]/Thread.[/b][/h3][/h2] [h5]Notes:[/h5] [h5][/h5] [h5][b]"CDR from Ionian boots"[/b] - Great when winning lane vs low CC team, however generally speaking they're bad boots. Spirit visage gives a nice CDR already, and as you know, spirit visage is CORE for renekton.[/h5] [h5][/h5] [h5][b]General meta build vs your "Safe Atmas build"[/b] - Going atmas, you lack AOE damage by removing sunfire and totally prevent Renekton from maximizing his potential with his ult in teamfights. Furthermore you think you're more tanky, and have more sustain by suggesting the word "safe", but again, you got less life steal...so your idea of "safe" is thrown out the window.[/h5] [h5][/h5] [h5][b]So far from this you should of already established you have[/b][/h5] [h5]1. Less AOE damage[/h5] [h5]2. Less presence[/h5] [h5]3. Less sustain[/h5] [h5]4. Generally building more hp = bad since most AD build botrk[/h5] [h5]5. Less damage as a whole[/h5][/quote] Sure you can switch things out, need MR and cleanse? Get scimitar, need maw? Get a maw, need penetration? Get a LW, a matter of deciding what you want/need. Since the core items give you a lot of effective health and are generally better than their alternatives, it's unlikely you need a different defensive items. If you want to get merc instead of ionian, that is totally fine since you have a good amount of dps and don't have to rely on your abilities as much. Lifesteal is better to sustain Renekton out of teamfights the safe atma's build gives you more hard effective health, without enough AD you wont be lifestealing much in teamfights anyway, again, if you prefer lifesteal, get BT. Assuming "presence" is AOE damage, Renekton's "prescence" is already not very significant in the meta build. If you're relying on the aura from your ult+sunfire you can easily be countered by a little MR, not that you would have been doing much significant damage with it either. Since you can have more single target DPS with Atma's and a nuking potential, you can have more impact in a teamfight by removing their carries from the fight, being a more effective Renekton. Bortk deals a fixed percent of phys damage based on current HP, not really a big deal since you have a lot of armor to mitigate it and since you have Randuins which is pretty much the best counter for it. Health is bad because of a single item? Then riot needs to severely buff all the armor items to not give any health. Atma's build is actually more effective against bortk as I explain below. [quote=Thalia Kael] Atma's hasn't been viable since stacking health was nerfed and is no longer the meta. The atmogs core used to be great on a ton of bruisers/tanks but now that stacking health is not longer a good idea atma's is bad. With Liandry's, BotRK and more %enemyhp abilities it's better to have higher defenses. [/quote] I understand that but when you can have the same defences as well as have more HP, it's really not a big deal. Atma's only has around 300-500 HP with the atma's build anyway, not really significant unless every enemy deals alot of % maximum dmg. Since the bortk deals % damage based on current health, bortk will initially deal more damage to the atma's build but when you get down to the same HP as the meta build, it will start to do the same amount of damage, [color=#ff0080][b]which means a bortk adc will actually take longer to kill the atma's build than the meta build[/b][/color].[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Sorry I was just talking about atma's and completely ignored your entire post. My bad. I like your reasoning but it's pretty much Hydra + Sunfire vs Atma's + Warmog's. The armor will be the same but you're trading 500 health and 18 crit for 14 AD, the passive of Hydra, the lifesteal of Hydra and the active of Hydra which is a LOT. I would value what the meta build gives you more than what the atma's build gives you. Also I was using your "safe" build for this paragraph, what I said had nothing to do with the other 2 builds as I'm assuming it is the build that would be used more. I respect your opinion and I am not the greatest Renekton player so I could be entirely wrong but this is my view on the situation based on my experience in general in the game and against other Renekton players (while I don't really play Renekton they have been very common in SoloQ for quite a long time).[/quote]

[quote=Andrax1][quote=Thalia Kael] Sorry I was just talking about atma's and completely ignored your entire post. My bad. I like your reasoning but it's pretty much Hydra + Sunfire vs Atma's + Warmog's. The armor will be the same but you're trading 500 health and 18 crit for 14 AD, the passive of Hydra, the lifesteal of Hydra and the active of Hydra which is a LOT. I would value what the meta build gives you more than what the atma's build gives you. Also I was using your "safe" build for this paragraph, what I said had nothing to do with the other 2 builds as I'm assuming it is the build that would be used more. I respect your opinion and I am not the greatest Renekton player so I could be entirely wrong but this is my view on the situation based on my experience in general in the game and against other Renekton players (while I don't really play Renekton they have been very common in SoloQ for quite a long time). [/quote] I really don't like Sunfire, and since I think single target dps is more important than AOE on renekton, I prefer IE or BT. IE because a crit on [[ruthless predator]] can be huge and IE gives the most DPS with atma's. Warmog's IMO is a really good defensive item , and getting Atma's just allows you to go for it safely. I actually prefer the Wreck-A-Ton one more atm. Since I switched the Fmal for Randuin's, the safe build looks less whelming than before. Fmal is possibly better for the safe build but again we fly into the botrk problem. Wreck-A-Ton is probably the better build of the two. Gonna fiddle around a bit more with the build later.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Andrax1] I really don't like Sunfire, and since I think single target dps is more important than AOE on renekton, I prefer IE or BT. [/quote] why? AoE is so much better for renekton due to having 3 AoE abilities[/quote]

[quote=Hannul]are you trying to play renek like an assassin[/quote]