Xerath and Skarner Reworks: Better or worse?

[quote=Satella][quote=DillButt64]why should it be ok for one to be at a disadvantage for damage when someone is close range[/quote] Please tell me more about how ADCs are disadvantaged by having their target in auto range. ADCs provide consistent DPS, mages provide burst damage through their rotations.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Possibly because [[varus]] can still atleast attempt to DPS you down if you get close to him, where as [[Xerath]] likely can't do anything if he gets caught in melee range between cooldowns.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]I think skarner is worse I preferred slow on q and they never improved anything really moved things around.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][[Skarner]] got the [[twitch]] treatment.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Except it's nothing like that because Twitch's rework made him infinitely more viable whilst removing the toxic long duration stealth mechanic.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]It seems pretty much unanimous that new Xerath is good and new Skarner sucks. :p Aside form one vote saying they both suck. xD[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=OTGBionicArm] Possibly because [[varus]] can still atleast attempt to DPS you down if you get close to him, where as [[Xerath]] likely can't do anything if he gets caught in melee range between cooldowns. [/quote] idk it just feels weird to me that his Q doesnt gain anything from charging it other than range unlike other charging abilities, his stun makes sense in that it has a better effect the farther it goes but with xerath you can use Q with 0 charge time and still do full damage, it doesnt make sense for the whole "long range artillery mage" thing they want for him the rest of the xerath rework is good, as for skarner i could care less i never liked him anyways and it by the sounds and looks of it hes even worse than before[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]I still remember when twitch and eve got reworked people said they sucked and they became op. Same could happen to skarner i think riot does not want release op reworks.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=Luther3000] Except it's nothing like that because Twitch's rework made him infinitely more viable whilst removing the toxic long duration stealth mechanic. [/quote] I wish that I could live on whatever planet you apparently live on where this is so. Old Twitch is a million times better than new twitch.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]"we don't intend to listen to your feedback, we will [s]nerf[/s] rework whatever champion thats too different from an established meta and homogenize them. we will also instantly nerf every strategy that might threaten the meta. we know how to balance better than you" -riot games[/quote]