let's have a discussion about talon!!!!

[quote=Hannul]I dunno what you're doing with your AA resets. Mine are instant. So you're telling me that a champ that has 15% [[Cutthroat]] (times or plus?) 10% damage amplify, 1.2 bonus attack damage base damage 260 on [[Rake]], 1.3 AD ratio (technically on [[Noxian Diplomacy]], which turns into 2.3 if you can AA reset properly regardless of AS), 440 base and 1.5 bonus attack damage scaling on [[Shadow Assault]] doesn't need a nerf? Plus if you have [[The Black Cleaver]] and [[Noxian Diplomacy]] someone, then you can chase them down maybe after the 5-6 seconds deal even more damage because the bleed is physical. As long as they don't remove those damage amplifies, and you play your cards right, I think you'll still be fine. I dunno what's wrong about being fought back at, if you still retain your damage, kiting, and some form of dueling, should be an ez kill still whoever you combo or hunt. Yes I may be butthurt about [[Talon]] sometimes (I play him and shrek people too), but I guess they should compensate by giving him scaling per level movement speed on [[Shadow Assault]], it feels too slow later in the game considering how teamfights are. If they remove the silence or reduce it, that's okay because if you still know your shit the person is going to be another corpse in the alleyway anyways. Edit: Oh yeah, you might not get what I'm talking about the bleeding chase shit. I don't use mobis on [[Talon]]. I use swiftness or lucidity. KEK[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Hannul]I dunno what you're doing with your AA resets. Mine are instant. So you're telling me that a champ that has 15% [[Cutthroat]] (times or plus?) 10% damage amplify, 1.2 bonus attack damage base damage 260 on [[Rake]], 1.3 AD ratio (technically on [[Noxian Diplomacy]], which turns into 2.3 if you can AA reset properly regardless of AS), 440 base and 1.5 bonus attack damage scaling on [[Shadow Assault]] doesn't need a nerf? Plus if you have [[The Black Cleaver]] and [[Noxian Diplomacy]] someone, then you can chase them down maybe after the 5-6 seconds deal even more damage because the bleed is physical. As long as they don't remove those damage amplifies, and you play your cards right, I think you'll still be fine. I dunno what's wrong about being fought back at, if you still retain your damage, kiting, and some form of dueling, should be an ez kill still whoever you combo or hunt. Yes I may be butthurt about [[Talon]] sometimes (I play him and shrek people too), but I guess they should compensate by giving him scaling per level movement speed on [[Shadow Assault]], it feels too slow later in the game considering how teamfights are. If they remove the silence or reduce it, that's okay because if you still know your shit the person is going to be another corpse in the alleyway anyways. Edit: Oh yeah, you might not get what I'm talking about the bleeding chase shit. I don't use mobis on [[Talon]]. I use swiftness or lucidity. KEK[/quote] 1. When did I [i]ever[/i] say Talon doesn't need nerfed? When did I say they should [i]not[/i] remove his silence? 2. The bleeding thing is rarely useful and idk why you would bother mentioning it, it's not like it's some super advanced and strong technique which pro talons use every game. 3. "I dunno what's wrong about being fought back at". That would ruin Talon's laning phase, and it isn't the fact that people can now fight back late-game that's bad, it's that you can counter Talon just by Flashing. 4. If you think more movement speed is going to stop him being unplayable, I'm glad you're not on the balance team. 5. You can chase with mobis too.[/quote]

[quote=Hannul]Shrug. Just played one and destroyed the enemy team. Not very difficult, I found that if you max [[Noxian Diplomacy]], you can really outharass your lane and get some unsuspecting kills. It also is very toxic if you know how to talon jungle, and [[Spirit of the Elder Lizard]] will last quite a while, but in turn you'll lose some burst later but create deadly ganks. Honestly, if they flash then you can just kill them again later. 40% cdr= 45/39/33 respective [[Shadow Assault]] cooldowns. Except for [[Diana]]'s [[Lunar Rush]], that's probably one of the lowest cooldowns for such a great scaling and high damage ult. The [[Ziggs]] nerf really hurt [[Ziggs]] meaning he can't leave lane as much or hit you as much. You can farm tanks early as [[Talon]], and escape ganks lv pre 9 without [[Oracle's Lens]] with ease, [[Vision Ward]] don't really help since the 40% is fine+ [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] (if you build it). Yeah I don't really see anything wrong with [[Talon]] except for his cooldown on ult. Everything else seems fine. Edit: I'll try to re-read everything again, I'm just putting my own experience with [[Talon]] in here and how I feel about him, sorry bout that. I personally don't really care about the silence though, only the damage amplify. Besides, I'm sure the nerf won't hurt you too much anyways. I just read somewhere you probably won't play [[Talon]] after the silence nerf. Are you really not confident in [[Shadow Assault]]+[[Youmuu's Ghostblade]]?[/quote]

[quote=NorthernRedStar]Talon only becomes a problem when he's significantly ahead. He's a feed or feed -type of champion. Kha'zix and Fizz are much more problematic right now, plus Zed can outduel Talon. If anything, they could have 1) Reduced the range of his E 2) Reduced the duration or make it scale 3) Make it an interrupt similar to Null Sphere (alongside the slow) Then again, Talon's whole kit is a bit outdated, so small kit changes all over the body might do good. There's much potential in his kit, but it's unutilized.[/quote]

[quote=KatariFIRE]............................................ One of my most favorite champion..... Removing his silence will lead to a "jump and suicide''. I always win Mid lane playing [[Talon]] because of that 1 second of silence. That 1 second save me from [[Fizz]], [[Leblanc]] and more. That 1 second make me pick him rather than [[Zed]]. If they really gonna do this, Riot must give something in return.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Making it a snare would be good, this removes the ability to flash.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=NicknameMy]Making it a snare would be good, this removes the ability to flash.[/quote] So [[cutthroat]] becomes cutleg?[/quote]

[quote=TROLLing1999][quote=NicknameMy]Making it a snare would be good, this removes the ability to flash.[/quote] That's actually a bad idea. You give a targeted CC+gapcloser(similar to [[twisted advance]]) to a champion with insane 100-0 burst. Not to mention that in this case your W+R are guaranteed to hit the target. I think what's needed to compensate for the removal of the silence is some boost in his laning phase by increasing his base stats. Also a lower CD on R in later ranks could be good as well.[/quote]

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[quote=FantasySniper][quote=FalseoGod][quote=NicknameMy]Making it a snare would be good, this removes the ability to flash.[/quote] So [[cutthroat]] becomes cutleg?[/quote] I saw another guy trying to call it "Hamstring". They did to [[LeBlanc]]'s, didn't they?[/quote]