7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Mooninites]If you blame your teammates for the reason you lose then it's not your teammates, you're the common denominator here. If you lose a majority of your games on [[nami]] then it's probably you. Every single support is capable of carrying at any elo. Its hard for me to carry with [[nami]] because I'm not very good at her, not because she can't win games on her own, she has a lot of catch potential. But i think it's a lot easier to carry with a [[nami]] than [[janna]] in general. In any case, a lot of carrying with support is zoning the enemy team, creating pressure, gaining/denying vision; these are all things you do individually to give advantages to your AD and teammates. So if you're losing a lot of games on support its not because there are only certain champs that carry you just suck at creating advantages for your team[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Ask anyone who plays with me regularly, I blame no one but myself when it comes down to it to the point of being pretty damn ridiculous. [[Nami]]'s early game is really good by itself, so in lane she can actually carry pretty well just by being a bully with [[Ebb and Flow]]. But catch potential relies on allies being able to make something of it. If I land an [[Aqua Prison]] on four enemies when my allies are in a good position to fight and they don't react in a timely manner or at all, there's really nothing I can do except ping a bunch beforehand and hope they react better next time. I'm not saying she can't carry at all, I'm saying other champions are going to be easier to carry with.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=The_Nameless_bard] NA is full of crappy players about like you'd expect in low elo. [/quote] [quote=The_Nameless_bard] Eh...I'm a perfect example of how [[Nami]] doesn't carry for shit in low elo. At least not on NA. [/quote] no what you're really saying is [[nami]] doesn't carry for shit because my teammates suck. [quote=The_Nameless_bard] But catch potential relies on allies being able to make something of it. If I land an [[Aqua Prison]] on four enemies when my allies are in a good position to fight and they don't react in a timely manner or at all, there's really nothing I can do except ping a bunch beforehand and hope they react better next time. [/quote] That would be true of every champion with catch potential; [[leona]], [[blitzcrank]], [[thresh]], etc. but they're fine. I guarantee that you do not play with absolute retards that have no idea how to follow up an [[aqua prison]] or [[solar flare]], especially if you lane a 4 man [[nami]] Q, and if you do I think that would speak as much to the elo you're in as the players[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I never said it didn't speak to the elo I was in, actually that was the entire point of my original comment .-.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Viktor seems promising, probably going to stick him in upper tier 2. Soraka i still have no clue about.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=H4xDefender]Viktor seems promising, probably going to stick him in upper tier 2.[/quote] His major problem atm is the fact that a few of the popular champions are overall tough matchups, like [[Xerath]] and [[Syndra]].[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=FalseoGod]You're probably a lot more experienced with him than I am. Hybrid pen marks, flat AP or MS Quints depending on matchup, armor + health combination on seals and mres glyphs (he's still short ranged). Core and lich bane rush as well. Void staff, Rabadon, Zhonya/Rylai, although sometimes I get a Morello for CDR and if the enemy team has a lot of annoying healers like Nami/Irelia/ADC combination on stuff like that.[/quote] Similar build to me then, though I use a few personalizations. On runes though, I've started just using Mpen instead of hybrid pen because his Q makes the auto entirely magical damage.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=GrandmasterD] His major problem atm is the fact that a few of the popular champions are overall tough matchups, like [[Xerath]] and [[Syndra]].[/quote] Can verify. Longer ranged champions and/or insta-cast champions absolutely give him hell.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=sirell][quote=GrandmasterD] His major problem atm is the fact that a few of the popular champions are overall tough matchups, like [[Xerath]] and [[Syndra]].[/quote] Can verify. Longer ranged champions and/or insta-cast champions absolutely give him hell.[/quote] Starting boots does a lot against those champions, although it does lower your damage output significantly.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Weighing in on the support discussion: I think the best low elo supports for solo-carrying are: [[Thresh]], [[Blitzcrank]], [[Zyra]], [[Vel'Koz]], [[Karma]] and [[Annie]] (you could probably make some other mages work but those are the ones that I've seen and tried for myself). Blitz and Thresh can give your team really easy picks while the other supports can end up building AP and outdamaging your whole team if necessary. If you are duo-queueing with someone who can carry some of the mid-late game weight, supports like [[Nami]], [[Janna]] and [[Lulu]] become a lot more useful. They can win in laning phase pretty hard but you need a good damage threat to protect if you want to win team fights, so it's safer to run them if you have a little more faith in your carries (higher elo or duo-queuing basically).[/quote]