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Your welcome for the feedback by the way! I am always happy to help, especially if it is for a champ I like to play. I see that you don't realize that is not healing for that much. heals for less when you use AOE spells. All of your spells except for your E are AOE thus you heal for a bit less than you normally would. Your is not your best spell damage wise so you won't be healing for that much even though it is a non-aoe spell. The sustain isn't really all that powerful on and any player regardless of what champ they are playing will say that you need at least SOME form of resistances whether through health (vitality seals) or armor/mr (Resilience/Warding Seals+Glyphs).

The masteries are pretty much fine so you should keep them how they are. As for you keeping your items how they are, sure go ahead. But just realize that you are losing a lot of damage from rushing Rylai's and your paying for a non cost effective item which I feel is a waste of a slot. Getting Rylai's is super super situational if even the thought of buying it, which even still is not good. Also, by changing your guide a bit or adjusting to what you see from other guides or from information people give you isn't "stealing" it's basically changing your playstyle and/or trying to get the full potential of your champ. As I have been reading over other guides for different champs, people are always stating how a player helped them out and they reworked/changed their guide because they realized something was better or that they were doing something clearly wrong.

Also, you can keep your skill sequence how it is if you want but W>Q is usually the better choice. If you play smart and dodge skill-shots with your in lane either by using it to dash to a creep or using it onto their face to make them miss, you can outplay your opponent and take less damage while still doing more damage because you are maxing W. Like recently, I was playing in a normal draft mode game. I was facing off against an mid. The and me were pretty much even in farm throughout early game but I got ahead as I killed Annie] 1 vs 1 barely escaping. I was maxing W which you should do for more damage. I took [[Haunting Guise as the magic penetration is awesome and the health from it helps you survive 's burst. Annie got one kill off of my jungler as we were turret diving and we messed up big time. We were both even in kills, but I kept farming and eventually overtook in farm. I was able to get an leading up towards . I went aggro on Annie when she didn't have her stun up and kept surviving even though she used her full combo with Tibbers and everything. I was low on health but my rotation of spells did more damage. I poked her a little bit with Q before I went in, but as she was very low on stun stacks from her passive, I dived on her. I outplayed her with as I dived on her face as she hit me with her Q and she failed and used her W cone of fire on nothing in the place where I was a few seconds before. I wouldn't have killed her and snowballed my lane if I maxed Q over W as I would be doing a bit less damage. If I got revolver, I would be doing less damage and I would be forced to play passive and farm rather than trying to win my lane. Early ganks to bot lane also helped push me a bit further than which made me get my items faster.

I hope you improve your guide with general information or at least take in my information and understand where I am coming from.

-DaCookieMonsta

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Alright, I am really pissed off at people buying on New so I will explain why this is really bad. I am also going to explain why I don't like your runes at all, and other things in the guide.

Rylai's: This item is not really good on her anymore. This item was usually taken on Old Kat because it helped people stay in for the full duration ult which was 3 seconds. Since most of your spells are aoe, you won't be getting the full slow. There isn't much of any incentive too need the slow from Rylai's anymore since New does less damage from a full duration ultimate as the damage was nerfed post-rework. This item doesn't grant the offensive property of or and it also fails to match the defense and survivability from or . Zhonya's Hourglass just gives a lot more survivability if you remember the active and the armor helps out too. Rylai's is a waste of a slot for Kat. Zhonya's 2 second invincibility can DEFINITELY make up for the 500 health you could/would of taken. Plus it gives you 20 more AP so you spells do more damage. I'm not saying Rylai's is a bad item, just that its bad on her right now. Rylai's is overrated on New . Even a bit overrated on the Old . You jump in, get a kill or assist and immediately start spamming shunpo and your other spells everywhere. During this you either die to focus fire or kill everything. There's simply no point in getting an item to help you chase given her kit encourages an all-in style and incorporates a blink skill and movespeed buff to boot. You don't want to be supporting your team with low damage and a slow, you want to be killing people to carry your team.

Hextech Revolver: While this item was generally taken on Old to rush Gunblade, this isn't really that much of CORE on her anymore. While laning before you back, the spell vamp you get from this item might be around somewhere near like 200-300 health. Especially early game when you don't have a lot of items, you won't be doing much damage so you would be healing for less. You can easily make that up with 1-2 health pots or so. No need to spend that much gold on an item where your paying a bunch of gold for 40 AP when blasting wand costs 860. The spell vamp on New Kat is a lot less since all of her spells are basically AOE except for which doesn't do that much damage early game anyway. 70 gold for 2 health pots heal you for about the same amount you would of healed. Revolver is not worth it all the time. But there are a few exceptions when your against a hard matchup or something and you might need the sustain from revolver + potions. By not spending gold on Revolver, you have more gold to get to better items faster.

Hextech Gunblade: The stats provided from this are pretty decent, but other items are usually better for New Kat. The AD from this isn't that good any more since New Kat has nerfed AD ratios on her spells, and the AD ratio isn't even on her Q anymore which is spammed a lot in lane. The AP is nice that you get from it, although it isn't a whole lot. The life steal + spell vamp are nice additions but aren't as useful as the survivability from Hourglass or Guardian or something. The slow is pretty decent, but it isn't as needed because "less damage from full duration ult".

Ability Sequence: I see that you take Q>W for your main skill sequence. This is good, but not the best choice. Q>W or W>Q is a choice you should make based on the game and your lane opponent. If your facing someone like mid lane and she gets an early kill and then gets a few kills from ganks and she is really ahead of you, it might be better to max Q over W so you safely stay back. A fed can easily 100-0 Health burst any day. W>Q is the preferred and better choice though as it gives you more overall damage (same or more damage than maxing Q) and a bit of other extra stuff too. While W has low ratios, it ends up doing more damage as it has a much shorter cooldown and you can probably use it twice in the amount of time of using bouncing blades. W also helps a lot with farming as you can just Q a minion wave and then use Sinister Steel for the AOE and extra damage. It also helps you clear wraiths faster when you are laning and the turret is pushed up and you have nothing else to do. It does more damage in fights/ganking because of it being an AOE spell. Leveling it also increases the movement speed buff on it, which lets you harass the enemy with , in, and then Sinister Steel for more damage and a large MS buff to get out of range of the opponent's retaliation harass/turret damage if diving/creep damage extremely quickly. Also helps with chasing, which works well also when roaming and ganking lanes after pushing up mid. For all these reasons W>Q is the better choice and why I usually max this first, and then max Q second.

Runes: I don't understand your choice of runes at all. I like the as these add a nice boost to your early game damage and this is essential on all AP champs as for marks anyway. The Seals and Glyphs on the other hand are not the best choice. You need some form of survivability through runes and yours provide none. Without MR glyphs your going to be squishy mid and you will take a lot of magic damage. Replace those glyphs you have now with so you will take less damage when versing an AP champ mid. Replace those weird seals you have with either or Greater Seal of Vitality. Resilience seals are good because they make you take less damage from AD junglers, auto-attack harass from the enemy mid laner, and less damage from minions. These are the better choice overall. But Vitality seals are good too as they help you survive some burst with the extra health. Your Quints are good, but you should add as an alternative as these runes are amazing for doing everything. With the extra movement speed, you can chase, harass better, run from ganks, gank quicker, get back to lane faster etc.

Masteries: Those masteries you have are pretty nice, but I like to take 9/21/0 masteries as used in my guide because this helps you take less damage in lane and you don't need the full offense in masteries specifically because Kat has low AP ratios.

Well, that's about it for what I have to say. This is what I feel is best for Kat and good info for your guide! I hope I helped you out.

-DaCookieMonsta

Thank you for responding. As for the item comments you made, I do believe that these items work as intended and as I have explained in the guide, so I will leave that section alone.

However, I do find that, while maxing sinister steel before is an option, MOST of the matchups require to max her Q first. Your special situations, such as the example you gave, occur much more frequently than the rare (to me) circumstance where maxing sinister steel is an option. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying that for a generic guide, is the way to go.

As for the runes and masteries, you basically answered for me. is an all-in type of champion and as such, I like to have the maximum power both early and later game. I feel that the lack of armor and MR that comes with these runes is made up for in lane by 's sustain. After reading your guide and your comment, it seems to me like we have very similar play styles, we just simply go about performing the role in different ways. I respect that and I don't want to copy nor steal from other guides, and so I am going to leave my guide as is (in terms of your suggestions/criticisms). Like I said, that is not to say you are wrong; I simply want to convey my play style and build in what might be a different way than others.

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Alright, I am really pissed off at people buying on New so I will explain why this is really bad. I am also going to explain why I don't like your runes at all, and other things in the guide.

Rylai's: This item is not really good on her anymore. This item was usually taken on Old Kat because it helped people stay in for the full duration ult which was 3 seconds. Since most of your spells are aoe, you won't be getting the full slow. There isn't much of any incentive too need the slow from Rylai's anymore since New does less damage from a full duration ultimate as the damage was nerfed post-rework. This item doesn't grant the offensive property of or and it also fails to match the defense and survivability from or . Zhonya's Hourglass just gives a lot more survivability if you remember the active and the armor helps out too. Rylai's is a waste of a slot for Kat. Zhonya's 2 second invincibility can DEFINITELY make up for the 500 health you could/would of taken. Plus it gives you 20 more AP so you spells do more damage. I'm not saying Rylai's is a bad item, just that its bad on her right now. Rylai's is overrated on New . Even a bit overrated on the Old . You jump in, get a kill or assist and immediately start spamming shunpo and your other spells everywhere. During this you either die to focus fire or kill everything. There's simply no point in getting an item to help you chase given her kit encourages an all-in style and incorporates a blink skill and movespeed buff to boot. You don't want to be supporting your team with low damage and a slow, you want to be killing people to carry your team.

Hextech Revolver: While this item was generally taken on Old to rush Gunblade, this isn't really that much of CORE on her anymore. While laning before you back, the spell vamp you get from this item might be around somewhere near like 200-300 health. Especially early game when you don't have a lot of items, you won't be doing much damage so you would be healing for less. You can easily make that up with 1-2 health pots or so. No need to spend that much gold on an item where your paying a bunch of gold for 40 AP when blasting wand costs 860. The spell vamp on New Kat is a lot less since all of her spells are basically AOE except for which doesn't do that much damage early game anyway. 70 gold for 2 health pots heal you for about the same amount you would of healed. Revolver is not worth it all the time. But there are a few exceptions when your against a hard matchup or something and you might need the sustain from revolver + potions. By not spending gold on Revolver, you have more gold to get to better items faster.

Hextech Gunblade: The stats provided from this are pretty decent, but other items are usually better for New Kat. The AD from this isn't that good any more since New Kat has nerfed AD ratios on her spells, and the AD ratio isn't even on her Q anymore which is spammed a lot in lane. The AP is nice that you get from it, although it isn't a whole lot. The life steal + spell vamp are nice additions but aren't as useful as the survivability from Hourglass or Guardian or something. The slow is pretty decent, but it isn't as needed because "less damage from full duration ult".

Ability Sequence: I see that you take Q>W for your main skill sequence. This is good, but not the best choice. Q>W or W>Q is a choice you should make based on the game and your lane opponent. If your facing someone like mid lane and she gets an early kill and then gets a few kills from ganks and she is really ahead of you, it might be better to max Q over W so you safely stay back. A fed can easily 100-0 Health burst any day. W>Q is the preferred and better choice though as it gives you more overall damage (same or more damage than maxing Q) and a bit of other extra stuff too. While W has low ratios, it ends up doing more damage as it has a much shorter cooldown and you can probably use it twice in the amount of time of using bouncing blades. W also helps a lot with farming as you can just Q a minion wave and then use Sinister Steel for the AOE and extra damage. It also helps you clear wraiths faster when you are laning and the turret is pushed up and you have nothing else to do. It does more damage in fights/ganking because of it being an AOE spell. Leveling it also increases the movement speed buff on it, which lets you harass the enemy with , in, and then Sinister Steel for more damage and a large MS buff to get out of range of the opponent's retaliation harass/turret damage if diving/creep damage extremely quickly. Also helps with chasing, which works well also when roaming and ganking lanes after pushing up mid. For all these reasons W>Q is the better choice and why I usually max this first, and then max Q second.

Runes: I don't understand your choice of runes at all. I like the as these add a nice boost to your early game damage and this is essential on all AP champs as for marks anyway. The Seals and Glyphs on the other hand are not the best choice. You need some form of survivability through runes and yours provide none. Without MR glyphs your going to be squishy mid and you will take a lot of magic damage. Replace those glyphs you have now with so you will take less damage when versing an AP champ mid. Replace those weird seals you have with either or Greater Seal of Vitality. Resilience seals are good because they make you take less damage from AD junglers, auto-attack harass from the enemy mid laner, and less damage from minions. These are the better choice overall. But Vitality seals are good too as they help you survive some burst with the extra health. Your Quints are good, but you should add as an alternative as these runes are amazing for doing everything. With the extra movement speed, you can chase, harass better, run from ganks, gank quicker, get back to lane faster etc.

Masteries: Those masteries you have are pretty nice, but I like to take 9/21/0 masteries as used in my guide because this helps you take less damage in lane and you don't need the full offense in masteries specifically because Kat has low AP ratios.

Well, that's about it for what I have to say. This is what I feel is best for Kat and good info for your guide! I hope I helped you out.

-DaCookieMonsta

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People replacing with
Stacking both flat MPen, flat MRreduction and %MPen? Really?
And in most cases the is worst that , considering:
- the MR bonus
-The usually low MR of primary targets (AD/AP carries).
unless every member of their team.
Considering you face an AP carry mid (30 base MR) with the same build, you'll hit for true damage , while hitting for 89% of this mount approximately with the void staff .
And the MR helps surviving troughout the game. if you build and the ennemy build a with the others items being the same, you'll have most chances of winning a 1v1 (Given that you have the same skill level and the same champ, otherwise it's much more complicated)

The downside of the is that it is countered by ennemy's staking mr (mostly tanks and/or Bruiser) and won't probably let you kill all the other team with your ult ( given that their don't hve/know cc's or used them all, otherwise it would require much more skill)

PS: if you take mostly for the slow, then you forgot about the 's passive

A) I don't take mostly for the slow, if you read I said that its slow, AP, AND health are all useful.

B) You also must have forgotten that 's active is a single target, 3 second slow unlike 's, granting a slow on all of 's abilities, which are all AoE except .

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People replacing with
Stacking both flat MPen, flat MRreduction and %MPen? Really?
And in most cases the is worst that , considering:
- the MR bonus
-The usually low MR of primary targets (AD/AP carries).
unless every member of their team.
Considering you face an AP carry mid (30 base MR) with the same build, you'll hit for true damage , while hitting for 89% of this mount approximately with the void staff .
And the MR helps surviving troughout the game. if you build and the ennemy build a with the others items being the same, you'll have most chances of winning a 1v1 (Given that you have the same skill level and the same champ, otherwise it's much more complicated)

The downside of the is that it is countered by ennemy's staking mr (mostly tanks and/or Bruiser) and won't probably let you kill all the other team with your ult ( given that their don't hve/know cc's or used them all, otherwise it would require much more skill)

PS: if you take mostly for the slow, then you forgot about the 's passive

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Very nice build in my opinion. The rylai's is perfect, but not many Katarina playes know how nice it i. I use the same build just changing void staff into Abyssal scepter. +1

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I use the same build except i substitute the void staff for an abyssal scepter for the magic resist and extra passive. I also go with magic pen, armor, magic resist, and ability power runes. Im not sure if the total amount you have for AP is correct because with my combination of runes, items, and masteries i get well over 600 AP. I have pretty good survivability and still do an incredible amount of damage, yet im still not that great of a katarina player lol.

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I am unbelievably sad right now. I can't believe I just saw someone use and in the same build and the fact that you are maxing Q over W. Those runes, are just bad. Also this guide is really short and doesn't explain a whole lot of information.

- Player

(DaCookieMonsta)

I'll PM you why this makes me sad later! Your Welcome...

Thank you for the feedback, though I'd like to know some of your reasoning behind why you criticized what you did. This exact build has worked for me, and therefore I shared - from personal experience - my build. Your comment doesn't exactly give me any advice regarding the areas you critiqued, so I hope you do PM me with your reasons.

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I am unbelievably sad right now. I can't believe I just saw someone use and in the same build and the fact that you are maxing Q over W. Those runes, are just bad. Also this guide is really short and doesn't explain a whole lot of information.

- Player

(DaCookieMonsta)

I'll PM you why this makes me sad later! Your Welcome...

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