Elise has always been strong up until the 40 minute mark really, but she's just difficult to play and you have to get the exact right combination of farm and lane pressure to not be useless mid game. She's also an early game jungler who kinda needs a few levels to be effective, unlike Lee Sin who only needs level 3...She's really strong with an AP resistance build, or a cinderhulk magic pen build.
As for
Nidalee, she is the same as Elise except she has a better early game. She probably falls off harder though. She can invade early and she has a lot more burst at the expense of tankiness, but her main downfall is she's hard to play and that means she's yeah she's strong (maybe tier 1 jungle) but it doesn't show because at low elo (or even up until diamond) people suck with her.That's my thoughts on them at least...
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Lack of
Void Staff makes this really weak against champions who just stack magic resist.
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Completely different champs except that both have good early pressure. Elise has Cocoon's utility and if she gets snowbally she's really hard to deal with since she can just get on top of your carries. Her problem is that she needs to pressure well early, because she's not really impressive going full tank, is only ok as a bruiser and going full ap...herp.... well she hurts but she gets cc'd once and she's dust.
Nidalee has great pressure, getting fed means she'll hit absurdly hard, but the excess of tanks nowadays really messed up her ability to siege, not only because that means they can absorb some of her spears, but also that they can force engages on your team with greater ease. She's still good against squishier comps because you can either kill or force people away from defending towers by hitting 1-2 javs.
Nidalee has great pressure, getting fed means she'll hit absurdly hard, but the excess of tanks nowadays really messed up her ability to siege, not only because that means they can absorb some of her spears, but also that they can force engages on your team with greater ease. She's still good against squishier comps because you can either kill or force people away from defending towers by hitting 1-2 javs.
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I feel like you miss Lee Sin. Yes, he's played way less than other junglers but if played correctly always deserves a top spot as a jungler. He's probably the only jungler that can utterly destroy you if played to his full potential, or fall completely flat if you don't abuse his power. Rush is probably the best example. Olaf and J4 are the same, both requiring a specific situation to make them good picks.
Lee Sin. Yes, he's played way less than other junglers but if played correctly always deserves a top spot as a jungler. He's probably the only jungler that can utterly destroy you if played to his full potential, or fall completely flat if you don't abuse his power. Rush is probably the best example. Olaf and J4 are the same, both requiring a specific situation to make them good picks.
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I feel like you miss Lee Sin. Yes, he's played way less than other junglers but if played correctly always deserves a top spot as a jungler. He's probably the only jungler that can utterly destroy you if played to his full potential, or fall completely flat if you don't abuse his power. Rush is probably the best example. Olaf and J4 are the same, both requiring a specific situation to make them good picks.
Lee Sin. Yes, he's played way less than other junglers but if played correctly always deserves a top spot as a jungler. He's probably the only jungler that can utterly destroy you if played to his full potential, or fall completely flat if you don't abuse his power. Rush is probably the best example. Olaf and J4 are the same, both requiring a specific situation to make them good picks.Lee sin is all the player skill so he is really bad in gold or below since players are just not as good.
Now look at him in high level play with people like rush and high up.
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Includes everything :D.