7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=Vapora Dark][quote=NicknameMy]A stacked [[muramana]] is as useless on [[ashe]] as it is on [[varus]], it is only there for the mana to spam your spamable spells.[/quote] Except [[ashe]] has worse poke than [[varus]] (obnoxious as hell but still really telegraphed and easy to avoid), while at the same time having better DPS than [[varus]], so if you want to poke on her you may as well just go a normal [[essence reaver]] ADC build.[/quote] If you want to poke you always stay at maximum range, so you will never be in AA-range. The only time you are in AA range if someone jumps onto you and then the burst of [[Muramana]] helps a lot. Another item that helps great at both is [[youmuu's ghostblade]].[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=TheSilverDust]Sadly, I haven't played a single game of Dominion... Sad life is sad.[/quote]I played so many that riot gave me a fancy icon[/quote]

[quote=TheSilverDust][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I played so many that riot gave me a fancy icon[/quote] *stares at Sig Lady*[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu]hey hey hey, I have it too[/quote]

[quote=TheSilverDust][quote=Janitsu]hey hey hey, I have it too[/quote] Should I stare at you? Or not?[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=NicknameMy][quote=Vapora Dark][quote=NicknameMy]A stacked [[muramana]] is as useless on [[ashe]] as it is on [[varus]], it is only there for the mana to spam your spamable spells.[/quote] Except [[ashe]] has worse poke than [[varus]] (obnoxious as hell but still really telegraphed and easy to avoid), while at the same time having better DPS than [[varus]], so if you want to poke on her you may as well just go a normal [[essence reaver]] ADC build.[/quote] If you want to poke you always stay at maximum range, so you will never be in AA-range. The only time you are in AA range if someone jumps onto you and then the burst of [[Muramana]] helps a lot. Another item that helps great at both is [[youmuu's ghostblade]].[/quote] You can regain the mana on minions and on champions during team-fights, it's a quick and cheap way to get 30/40% CDR for maximum poke, and it minimally compromises your DPS and the effectiveness of your slows. Varus also gains more from [[youmuu's ghostblade]] than [[ashe]] because his Q does retarded damage and benefits a lot from 20 armor pen, while [[ashe]]'s poke doesn't do that much damage and is only worth considering because it really is impossible to dodge other than staying out of its range, and once you've "dodged" it you still have to bear in mind it'll be up again in no time. And unless you want to finish your core items ridiculously late, [[varus]] can't build [[youmuu's ghostblade]] with the [[essence reaver]] build, which is why he still has to go [[tear of the goddess]] for mana regen. [[ashe]] doesn't have as much incentive to go for [[youmuu's ghostblade]] even if you're playing her for the poke, and also has [i]more[/i] incentive to use a DPS build because she gains more from DPS than [[varus]] does. [[varus]] has more synergy with poke-focused builds while [[ashe]] has more synergy with DPS-focused builds. Even if you want to play a more poke focused playstyle on [[ashe]], there's still a way to do that without sending your DPS to the shitter, [[varus]] is okay with sending his DPS to the shitter because his DPS is bad anyway and his poke is powerful enough to be worth focusing on. Just because they're both ADC's that can poke and can be played mid lane if you so choose doesn't mean they have the same playstyle and build, [[ashe]] and [[varus]] are two entirely different concepts.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Updated.[/quote]

[quote=Roguish Bard]So you think Alistar remains the top dog of support despite his nerfs?[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Yep. Ultimate is too broken, lane sustain is still strong, CC is still devastating.[/quote]

[quote=Roguish Bard]I noticed you left out [[Shen]] as both support and jungle. What do you think of it? I've had success with it (But I play it mostly because I main [[Shen]] and the dynamic q never wants to give me top, even if I pick it as primary)[/quote]