Ask a Diamond [Week 2: Jungle]

[quote=Vynertje]I know I certainly don't.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Does [[Udyr]] currently use [[Feral Flare]]. or is he still running golem or lizard? I was under the influence that he is a ganking jungler, but he's raised quite high in multiple tier lists after Flare's release. Coincidence?[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu][quote=OTGBionicArm] Does [[Udyr]] currently use [[Feral Flare]]. or is he still running golem or lizard? I was under the influence that he is a ganking jungler, but he's raised quite high in multiple tier lists after Flare's release. Coincidence? [/quote] I see lots more Feral udyr's.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]tiger udyr is more of a ganking jungler. phoenix is more of a farming jungler. i haven't run udyr yet in jungle with feral but just from my experience i would think you should go feral if you are going phoenix and lizard if you are going tiger.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]As far as I know every udyr players grabs feral flare. Doesn't matter if you're going phoenix or tiger.[/quote]

[quote=xIchi][quote=Vynertje] As far as I know every udyr players grabs feral flare. Doesn't matter if you're going phoenix or tiger. [/quote] To evaluate this: Basically tiger is a rather AD heavy runesetup and with more attack speed its good. Pheonix always had attackspeed runesetup and with flare this makes his clearing even faster.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Ok here's one I don't think we've gone over entirely. What is the proper time you "should" have [[feral flare]]? Give or take, depending on the champion used? I seem to get it around 15 minutes on average with [[Aatrox]] and [[Warwick]]. What's a good amount of stacks at every 10 minute interval after that?[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]@Psi: runes for nocturne right now? ive been playing him a lot recently but not entirely sure what runes i should be using also i might be one of the few people that actually jungles karma on this site other than bilan but shes more of a ganking jungler since her clear is kinda bad and you end up being another support late game with her anyways so i dont think its worth not getting your snare(not stun its a snare) at level 3 unless you know 100% for sure you arnt going to need it which is unlikely[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Blian] [quote=PsiGuard] [quote=mjskid] who is a good ap jungler? [/quote] Several good junglers deal a lot of magic damage ([[Elise]], [[Evelynn]], [[Amumu]], [[Shyvana]], Phoenix [[Udyr]] etc.), but the only jungler that is a true AP carry and builds that way would be [[Fiddlesticks]]. There are some other AP champions that you [i]can[/i] play in the jungle, such as [[Brand]], but they're not really junglers. [/quote] Does it mean you would NOT consider Karma as a competitive AP jungler? [/quote] Yes, I think she works best as a support, decent as a solo lane, and pretty mediocre as a jungler. I could be wrong but I wouldn't feel comfortable saying she's strong or recommending her to people as a jungler. [quote=OTGBionicArm]Ok here's one I don't think we've gone over entirely. What is the proper time you "should" have [[Feral Flare]]? Give or take, depending on the champion used? I seem to get it around 15 minutes on average with [[Aatrox]] and [[Warwick]]. What's a good amount of stacks at every 10 minute interval after that?[/quote] Depends on the champion and how much you're farming. 12-13 minutes is early, 15-17 is roughly average, post 20 minutes is late, but that might occur for any number of reasons. If you have to spend more time pressuring the map and less time farming and/or your jungler is a slow clearer, you might finish flare later. One of the Xin's I've seen in professional play finished it around 23 minutes. [quote=DillButt64]@Psi: runes for nocturne right now? ive been playing him a lot recently but not entirely sure what runes i should be using[/quote] I'm currently running 29% attack speed with scaling health (armor/lvl works too) seals and scaling MR glyphs. Flat CDR glyphs are nice against AD-heavy teams. Armor pen should work fine as well but I think I like attack speed better. More [[umbra blades]], more [[feral flare]] procs, faster farming and it cleans up your autoattack animation. Flare also deals magic damage and I don't usually build armor pen so arpen marks don't seem worth it to me.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Next question. Can [[Shaco]] make a comeback? Seems like he could use flare and clear both his and the enemies jungle with relatively little risk. He'd trade map pressure for fucking with the enemy jungler, and seems like maybe he could get away with the Flare/Bork/Tank items build?[/quote]