PBE, interesting new stuff

[quote=BigBoxGamer]I have no clue what you mean.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]I'm going to have to go with Vyn on this one, not because the ability seems overpowered, (but it probably would be against assassins) but because there's like 1 blind in the game and we all detest it.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]The issue is that there's no way to dodge [[Radiance]] except just not being in the AoE. Similar to pre-rework [[Starcall]]. [[Quinn]]'s blind is AoE, but it's a skillshot, so you can dodge it. [[Teemo]]'s blind is targeted and cannot be dodged, but it only blinds one target.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]http://matchhistory.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/PBE1/52260364/710955 Yeah, that is how [[gangplank]] support rocks. Look at the amount of gold compared to my team.^^ Also, the strategy of combining [[talisman of ascension]], [[righteous glory]] and [[raise morale]] with [[iceborn gauntlet]], [[grog soaked blade]] and [[cannon barrage]] always ensures a movement speed advantage for the team, keeping the carry alive. And if a skillshot cc flies to your carry, guess what, blocked :D. And [[gangplank]] is even more mobile with [[the black cleaver]], the bonus of [[raise morale]] and [[talisman of ascension]], the [[wanderer]] and [[fleet of foot mastery]] mastery, [[the black cleaver]] and [[zz'rot portal]] near turrets.[/quote]

[quote=VexRoth][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=VexRoth]Maybe if they added a short duration AoE slow and blind to it...[/quote]Are you insane? An AoE blind? that would be 100% broken.[/quote] I said short duration. How is an AoE blind worse than an AoE stun? At least if I'm blind I can still move and use spells, just not hit anything with autos. [[Quinn]] is not what I would describe as the epitome of broken and she sports an AoE blind. The ability is called [[Radiance]]. What does radiance have to do with raising AP and AD? A blind and a slow (damn I can't see stumble stumble), would be more apropos given the name of the ability and it would give him more peel, which is where I (others may disagree) feel that he is lacking.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]Blinds arnt fun because the person with the blind will normally win most trades and if taric has a point blank AoE blind and slow no one will want to engage on him post 6 because it will always end with the engaging team losing cuz they wont be able to do their damage which makes the bot lane a farmfest because taric can only engage when the jungler ganks or he gets a good stun and the enemy team wont engage because taric will just AoE blind them and theyll lose[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=VexRoth][[Quinn]] is not what I would describe as the epitome of broken and she sports an AoE blind.[/quote]I already stated the difference. [quote=The_Nameless_Bard] [[Quinn]]'s blind is AoE, but [i]it's a skillshot[/i], so you can dodge it.[/quote]Similar to old [[Starcall]]'s ability to apply AoE MR shred to any target within its range, a blind on [[Radiance]] would be a problem because the only counter-play to it is to simply not be in range, especially since [[Dazzle]] is a targeted stun. That's the same reason [[Shatter]] has ended up being kinda bad, because if it's any good it's inherently toxic due to the lack of counter-play to it. Remember the days when [[Taric]] was the uncontested king of supports and there was borderline nothing you could do about him? I do.[/quote]

[quote=VexRoth][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=VexRoth][[Quinn]] is not what I would describe as the epitome of broken and she sports an AoE blind.[/quote]I already stated the difference.[/quote] And so you did, apologies for not reading ahead to see that after returning to comment. [quote=The_Nameless_Bard] [[Quinn]]'s blind is AoE, but [i]it's a skillshot[/i], so you can dodge it.[/quote][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Similar to old [[Starcall]]'s ability to apply AoE MR shred, a blind on [[Radiance]] would be a problem because the only counterplay to it is to simply not be in range, especially since [[Dazzle]] is a targeted stun. That's the same reason [[Shatter]] has to be kinda bad, because if it's any good it's inherently toxic due to the lack of counterplay to it.[/quote] Counterplay against taric is walking out of his range. It is that way right now. You just don't stand near the guy or bother attacking him because he has crap ton of armor, does no damage, and he can only stun one person. What about [[Monsoon]]? Counterplay on that is....spellshield. If you predict [[Janna]] using it. And that damn thing will stun you briefly if you happen to get pushed into a wall. Not advocating adding something else that has limited counterplay, but blinds and slows mess you up, but don't leave you with no counterplay options. I'm thinking of it more like a flash bang grenade, not some continuous blind and slow aura. That would flipping really suck to play against.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]the counterplay on monsoon is that she has to channel it to heal meaning shes a sitting duck if she chooses to heal and the enemy champions are blown away from you so you cant really fight them(which is a good thing its meant for disengage), in what youre suggesting for taric theyll be blind and slowed so they cant fight you but you can fight them[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=VexRoth]Counterplay against taric is walking out of his range.[/quote]The same was true of old [[Starcall]], that didn't make it any less toxic.[/quote]