Throatslasher AMA, general AP mid convo thread

[quote=NinjaGinge][quote=throatslasher] xerath- E [/quote] Huh, I've always gone the W route before E just for the increase in poke power and frequency. Why the E in this case?[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher][quote=NinjaGinge] [quote=throatslasher] xerath- E [/quote] Huh, I've always gone the W route before E just for the increase in poke power and frequency. Why the E in this case? [/quote] Xerath is a burst caster, and I always build my burst casters for damage. I max e on gragas, but I know a lot of people max w. It depends. if you feel safe in lane to go for mage chains + arcano, then max chains. If you want to keep your distance, max w. "1-You mention Pantheon mid a lot on topics I saw someone playing it and I want to try it out so whats is better in terms of Build?build The Brutalizer than Last Whisper(all games I saw Mantheon mid they rushed this) or would The Bloodthirster as the first big Item would be better? I'm leading more to LW... 2-What do you think of the 68 MPen on Galio?On Paper it seems pretty good 3-Don't you Think DFG is the best Item of Existence??" I haven't played pantheon mid in a long time. The way I used to do it was brutalizer rush, and max E. Q, W, E, E, E, R. I see pantheon mid dominate quite often, but he falls off hard late game, regardless of your farm. You almost have to build a team around him. I love lots of magic pen on mages. Sorc shoes haunting guise abyssal and pen runes? seems legit. we have to consider where you're getting your early mana sustain from, though. Galio is extremely mana hungry in early levels. Dfg rocks. "My build is generally boots 3 pots, then i buy hextech, then sorc shoes, and then haunting guise. Is it a bad build?" Haunting guise doesn't do much. It's cheap, though, but new kat can farm really well. Consider replacing guise with abyssal. makes you tankier, and makes your team do more magic damage to your targets instead of just you. I suggest you play around with rabadons rush and dfg rush as well, after revolver of course. "and uh throat zyra - roa or double doran raba?" Sadly, I'm not a zyra player. Given her kit, however, I would assume there is no need for you to get in the fight with your actual body, so RoA seems like a waste. I'd rather have more damage so I can just get quadra kills every teamfight. I dno't think RoA is the way to go on her. I picked zyra up right after release when she was OP broken, and practiced with her, but didn't get to take her to ranked before the nerf, so I kind of abandoned her. I'll come back to her, though. If you have any tips, I'd actually like to hear some.[/quote]

[quote=SirAeros][quote=throatslasher] "1-You mention Pantheon mid a lot on topics I saw someone playing it and I want to try it out so whats is better in terms of Build?build The Brutalizer than Last Whisper(all games I saw Mantheon mid they rushed this) or would The Bloodthirster as the first big Item would be better? I'm leading more to LW... 2-What do you think of the 68 MPen on Galio?On Paper it seems pretty good 3-Don't you Think DFG is the best Item of Existence??" I haven't played pantheon mid in a long time. The way I used to do it was brutalizer rush, and max E. Q, W, E, E, E, R. I see pantheon mid dominate quite often, but he falls off hard late game, regardless of your farm. You almost have to build a team around him. I love lots of magic pen on mages. Sorc shoes haunting guise abyssal and pen runes? seems legit. we have to consider where you're getting your early mana sustain from, though. Galio is extremely mana hungry in early levels. Dfg rocks [/quote] going on the build The Mana Sustain([[Galio]]) comes from the [[Chalice of Harmony]]+Masteries and Runes(Going for 21/0/9 Masteries as this is an offensive set up so you need to be Offensive) I would get it first then Rush [[Haunting Guise]] and [[Sorcerer's Shoes]](hate when people go rage on me because I don't get Mercs on [[Galio]]) if low on cash or Go Straight [[Abyssal Scepter]] If I have tons of it money then Finish it Up with Athenes,Rabbadons and an Armor-Based armor in the order I see most fit Guess I should have being more specific the only problemn I have with 68 pen builds tho is the fact that they are midgame Teamfight based(one of the reasons I thought on doing this is the fact that AP [[Galio]] is the King of Midgame Teamfights) and 9 out of 10 times your team won't abuse that on Solo Que >_> but overall I simply love chunking people for Halve their Healths with a single common combo o and Abusing the feedback have you Tried AP Eve?? I see several people saying shes the new thing of mid[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]No, I don't play ap eve. I just don't know. she doesn't interest me.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=SirAeros] o and Abusing the feedback have you Tried AP Eve?? I see several people saying shes the new thing of mid [/quote] She's got a very abusable early game but nukes like a truck late game as DFG+Deathcap+Ult=Any enemy minus tanks dead. The best part is, they can't even see it coming.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]AP Varus... :D[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Who does Pantheon counter mid in your opinion?[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher][quote=Nighthawk] Who does Pantheon counter mid in your opinion? [/quote] Mages. But seriously, look at my lolking ranked stats. I used to abuse the hell out of pantheon mid. You slap on 15 armor pen and a lot of damage, go to lane with 21 armor pen, and you're going to be doing true damage to any mage unfortunate enough to go mid. What I liked to do was get someone to pick vlad and then I pick pantheon, so they would sometimes think it was vlad top and pantheon mid. Pantheon RAPES: Akali, Ahri, Kassadin, Morgana, Diana, Zyra, Ori, Malz, Karthus, Gragas, viktor, veigar, swain, etc. I would not pick patheon into cass, but that's probably it. I think anyone that can return damage would dunk you, but if you got some MR in runes, it'd be k. I recommend flat damage reds, flat mana regen yellows, flat MR glyphs, and armor pen quints if you're going early brutalizer. If not, go for armor pen marks and flat damage quints.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=throatslasher] [quote=Nighthawk] Who does Pantheon counter mid in your opinion? [/quote] Mages. But seriously, look at my lolking ranked stats. I used to abuse the hell out of pantheon mid. You slap on 15 armor pen and a lot of damage, go to lane with 21 armor pen, and you're going to be doing true damage to any mage unfortunate enough to go mid. What I liked to do was get someone to pick vlad and then I pick pantheon, so they would sometimes think it was vlad top and pantheon mid. Pantheon RAPES: Akali, Ahri, Kassadin, Morgana, Diana, Zyra, Ori, Malz, Karthus, Gragas, viktor, veigar, swain, etc. I would not pick patheon into cass, but that's probably it. I think anyone that can return damage would dunk you, but if you got some MR in runes, it'd be k. I recommend flat damage reds, flat mana regen yellows, flat MR glyphs, and armor pen quints if you're going early brutalizer. If not, go for armor pen marks and flat damage quints. [/quote] Thanks, what are your thoughts on building a Black Cleaver on jungle Pantheon?[/quote]

[quote=Syther Blade]what are your opinions on talon mid, and is xerath still viable[/quote]