Udyr Jungle: Pheonix vs Tiger

[quote=OTGBionicArm].5 seconds. meh. [[Udyr]] generally has to [[flash]] to catch people out anyway[/quote]

[quote=sirell]It's all about [[monkey's agility]].[/quote]

[quote=Kazega]bleh. the Poll was meant for jungling, but it doesn't really matter now.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Well, as a matter of personal preference, I've always preferred Tiger, as you can no doubt tell from my avatar. But I have a sneaking suspicion that Pheonix has been better for some time now. Then again, [[Udyr]] has never been one of my more commonly used junglers, so I can't say.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Phoenix has always been better in terms of clear times. When it comes to ganks, it's largely subjective. I have always preferred Phoenix stance. s3 jungle allowed Tiger to become viable in the jungle, but before that it wasn't really good at all (in terms of clear speed, which affected how often you could gank).[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]tiger is much better at the current stage of the game. Phoenix stance gives udyr way too less presence in terms of damage because he needs to stick on his target.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]not sure how that makes sense @-@ considering with Tiger you have to actually auto-attack the target to deal any damage at all...[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Well, watching Diamondprox just now, he went Tiger and completely eviscerated the early game under enemy tower.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]not saying it's not the case, just find that I deal plenty of damage with phoenix...admittedly, I do run magic pen in masteries though.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Diamondprox runs 1 LS Quint, 2 AD Quints, 6 AS Marks, 3 AD Marks, 9 mixed Magic Resist Glyphs and Armor Seals. That's a fair amount of early game damage.[/quote]