Udyr Jungle: Pheonix vs Tiger

[quote=NicknameMy]If you run Phoenix Udyr, you can start with [[doran's ring]], which gives Phoenix Udyr a similar potential to Tiger Udyr. And don't forget, Phoenix has something ahead of Tiger: Range. With like 625, it is small, but it is still range if used well.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Embracing] There absolutely no reason to play tiger if you arent running dorans lol. [/quote] This is why I said he needs AD to be relevant :P I did math for all parts of the game using Udyr's base AD. Phoenix is better for most of the game. Tiger doesn't start to outdamage Phoenix (and even then the difference is slight) until relatively late in the game if all you do is build full tank. You have to be nearly level 18. I was never trying to discount your statement that Tiger Udyr was good. I was purely pointing out that Tiger Udyr needs to build AD or you might as well just play Phoenix Udyr.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]I really wish I was back at my computer testing this shit out. T.T[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Only thing I like better with Phoenixyr is a much better use of [[wit's end]]+[[sunfire cape]], not to mention rocking that [[nashor's tooth]]. Oh and Turtledyr gets way better, dat shit cray. Tiger SFX are beast tho[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]You don't need [[Nashor's Tooth]] on Udyr >_> [[wit's end]] & [[sunfire cape]] is plenty of damage >_> the only AP item I'd even consider is [[Abyssal Scepter]]....or [[Iceborn Gauntlet]], I guess, if you wanna count that as an "AP item".[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]Well I guess the choice between Tiger and Pheonix in jungle is more of 'Do you want to counterjungle and steal camps?' - Pheonix 'Do you want to duel and kill the enemy jungler real quick and mean?' - Tiger Overall you can duel and cheese very good with Tiger, but Pheonix is also very good. Also you can push really fast and get a strong advantage over the other Jungler and even enemy Laners. For exmaple: You go Pheonix, you do your usual route, maybe even a longe route to get level 4 rally fast, so you can burst people with a level 2 Pheonix already (unless u skip the Turtle). If you successfully gank with this you can then help your laner push the lane / shove to the turret to deny him farm WARNING: Low Elo Laners may flame you cause you steal farm and take the tower too early. But that can set the enemy Laner really behind, also the Jungler is forced to help out at that lane and you can easily sneak around in his jungle and screw with his buffs. The same applys for Tiger actually... so I do not really know. It is prolly just the difference in what people like more and the most important: How they want to itemize / Are allowed to itemize[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]You don't [b]need[/b] [[nashor's tooth]] on anybody. Doesn't stop me from loving it on him. Sunfire's End is indeed plenty of damage, but even more so when you have more magic damage/pen going. Not advocating the use of such items, just saying I like to use them.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]No love for [[iceborn gauntlet]]?[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh][quote=NicknameMy] No love for [[iceborn gauntlet]]? [/quote] Much love. Though for me it's situational.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=luizdeh] Sunfire's End is indeed plenty of damage, but even more so when you have more magic damage/pen going. [/quote] [[Abyssal Scepter]] > [[Nashor's Tooth]] Works better with [[Sunfire Cape]], and you have to have AP to get any significant magic damage out of [[Nashor's Tooth]].[/quote]