Udyr Jungle: Pheonix vs Tiger

[quote=utopus]One important thing to note is that [[nashor's tooth]] gives a big fat chunk of CDR, which is like really really really really REALLY good on udyr Just something to keep in the back of your mind. IMO if you're getting [[abyssal scepter]], you'll need to find another item that'll give you some CDR.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]If we are already talking about builds, why not combine all items mentioned by now. Lets go with Phoenix. Start with [[doran's ring]] in the jungle as doran's is the meta. Get a second [[doran's ring]] cuz double doran's. Then go for [[boots of mobility]] and then [[sunfire cape]] into [[wit's end]] to get a good mix of MS, HP, resistances and AS. Then go on with [[iceborn gauntlet]] and [[nashor's tooth]] to increase the CDR and get an even bigger amount of damage. Finally, get [[abyssal scepter]] to round this up. Now I got all items mentioned in 1 build.^^[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]CDR Items are easy: Spirit Visage / Zephyr and the Ancient Golem if it gives CDR not sure anymore.. thats all u need o .o![/quote]

[quote=luizdeh][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] [quote=luizdeh] Sunfire's End is indeed plenty of damage, but even more so when you have more magic damage/pen going. [/quote] [[Abyssal Scepter]] > [[Nashor's Tooth]] Works better with [[Sunfire Cape]], and you have to have AP to get any significant magic damage out of [[Nashor's Tooth]]. [/quote] Can't argue with that statement. Technically you are correct. Not to mention that that [[orianna]] on your team is gonna a field day with shockwaves. And you get MR yourself, awesome. That being said, the added damage from the aura on [[sunfire cape]] is not that great. 40 magic damage w/out abyssal against 50 MR = 26.67 40 magic damage w/ abyssal against 50 MR = 30.77 That equals 41 extra damage over 10 seconds. Granted, you do that to everybody, so you are more of a team player (and tankier) getting the [[abyssal scepter]] over [[nashor's tooth]]. That's just not what I like to do with [[udyr]]. [[sunfire cape]]'s damage is the third component in my eyes. I value it more for the HP/armor. Again, not saying it's the best, just what I like to do when going Phoenix. I do in fact build AP and I get the sword for the AS as well. I just have to hit fast with him to have fun. I sometimes get [[abyssal scepter]] if enemy team is double AP, but then my build gets kinda funky. Also, at 300 AP with [[nashor's tooth]]+[[wit's end]] (and AP masteries) you hit for 117 (15+42+45+15) magic damage on first punch (no resistances included). Against a 50 MR enemy, you do, in 5 punches, 418.93 extra magic damage and 90 for each extra punch after that. Not incredible, still works since you have massive AS. Oh and I forgot to include 8% magic pen, but whatever. Sorry about all the numbers, I just like crunching them. End result? Do whatever lol[/quote]

[quote=killininthename]Visage/Golem/Cleaver!!! and two more tanky items...whichever needed and you have an Udyr straight back from hell.....btw from all the stances the bear one is the best isnt it?_?[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]You mean maxing [[bear stance]]? No way. You either max [[phoenix stance]] or [[tiger stance]] first. Bear is great, I love the MS and the stun is key. Max it third after [[Turtle stance]]. Also, I firmly believe AS is absolutely necessary on [[udyr]]. Get at least a [[wit's end]].[/quote]

[quote=kT coffee]Phoenix is generally better in the jungle because of cleartime and waveclearing. Also, the poll is retarded; who the hell would max Turtle or Bear first, especially when you're asking whether Phoenix or Tiger first is best?[/quote]

[quote=RJ Mantheon]Tiger all the way for me. Yes phenix is AOE clear but tiger has stronger ganks as well as faster clear time at the non multi target camps such as Golems and Buffs.[/quote]

[quote=cavaldragon1]Well Phoenix can be great at jungler, but i recommend starting with Tiger due his early burst ganks and the attack speed still on if you turn to other stance as Phoenix that have to attack quickly to utilize better the Phoenix passive.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=NicknameMy] If you run Phoenix Udyr, you can start with [[doran's ring]], which gives Phoenix Udyr a similar potential to Tiger Udyr [/quote] ...[/quote]