Support - Janna - Critique my item build

[quote=Jovy][quote=Chawoora]Interesting info here. So you guys do not start with a [[Stealth Ward]]?? My standard start for support is 2 [[Health Potion]]s + GP10 item ([[Ancient Coin]] for [[Janna]]) + 1 [[Stealth Ward]]. It just seems like you are not going to back until ganking is well underway just the [[Warding Totem]] just does not seem to be enough.[/quote]Most of the time junglers don't gank bot lane before they're at least level 6. In fact you don't need to ward at all before you're all (you and your enemy laners) around lvl 4-5 since just about no one will gank before that point 99% of the time. I know a lot of people ward way too early and then their totem is on CD when they're in actual danger. What you should look out for is the enemy jungler's location. If you see him top at 5 minutes, you're safe at least for another minute and you don't need to ward. On a side note, you should really considering starting with [[spellthief's edge]].[/quote]

[quote=Chawoora]That makes a lot of sense. The jungler will mostly likely start the bot camps then head top and if they have good sustain they might be able to gank top or mid around 3:30. Early ganks bot are harder since it will be at best 3v2 where other lanes might be 2v1. Knowing which camps the enemy jungler will likely start, knowing timings for first ganks, and generally keeping track of the enemy jungler’s position (or likely position) are weaknesses of mine...along with unexpected mid-laner roams. As a Bronze level support my ADC should be happy that I ward at all!! :) I have tried [[Spellthief's Edge]] starts with Janna. I the AP is nice and I do try to harass enough that I would proc the extra gold. I will play around with it some more. It seems to be the popular start on ProBuilds, but seems that a number of times it is either never upgraded, or only upgraded to [[Frostfang]].[/quote]

[quote=lanilwow]I've been building [[zeke's herald]] fourth as team fights really ramp up. Am I crazy? I build this if we are just bearly losing team fights or if we are in their base. I'm trying to find items to squeeze every last bit of damage and provide every ounce of life support I can for my team. Is there something better? This is after boots then [[sightstone]] (1) [[frost queen's claim]] (if I finish it) (2) [[locket of the iron solari]] (3) (more often than not) [[Mikael's crucible]][/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][[Zeke's Herald]] is pretty bad afaik. Personally, I wouldn't bother buying it in most games. If you have locket anyways, [[Frozen Heart]] is a better defensive item to get that 20% CDR from and it debuffs the enemy team's attack speed from a pretty long range. Another option is [[Morellonomicon]] (also gives 20% CDR) if you feel like you can go a bit more offensive, since it will make your damage spells apply the Grievous Wounds (reduces healing and health regeneration to 50% effectiveness) debuff to targets below 40% health for four seconds. Even if you don't do much damage, just being able to use [[Ability Zephyr]] on someone who's low to apply that debuff can be quite useful. I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but [[Twin Shadows]] and [[Randuin's Omen]] are also options. Just look at the builds [url=http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Janna]here[/url], I guess. From a quick glance I see one build with Zeke's in it, but that's it.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy][quote=lanilwow]I've been building [[zeke's herald]] fourth as team fights really ramp up. Am I crazy? I build this if we are just bearly losing team fights or if we are in their base. I'm trying to find items to squeeze every last bit of damage and provide every ounce of life support I can for my team. Is there something better? This is after boots then [[sightstone]] (1) [[frost queen's claim]] (if I finish it) (2) [[locket of the iron solari]] (3) (more often than not) [[Mikael's crucible]][/quote][[Zeke's Herald]] is a meager item at best. It "works" when you're a part of a full AD team but I still would not recommend it for Janna because the stats don't benefit her that much. But you're not crazy[color=transparent].[/color][img=http://cdn.steamcommunity.com//economy/emoticon/:D:] Janna's damage items are AP. Early mid game, if the game is going good, a great purchase is [[Mejai's Soulstealer]]. Later in the game if you're still doing well you can opt to get [[rabadon's deathcap]], [[void staff]] etc. If you don't want to go that extreme, a build that mixes both utility and damage in a nice way is: [list][*] AD marks, armour seals, flat MR glyphs, AP quints in runes. [*] Masteries 0-9-21. Alternatives include 9-0-21 if you're bold, and 0-21-9 if you're really not bold. [*] Starting items: [[Spellthief's edge]], biscuits and [[mana potion]] + [[warding totem]]. Early game core is [[Frostfang]], [[Chalice of harmony]] or [[forbidden Idol]] + [[Sightstone]], of course, unless you want [[mejai's Soulstealer]] in which case you delay Chalice/Idol and get that instead ASAP. Boots and then [[Mikael's crucible]], [[Talisman of ascension]]/[[frost queen's claim]]. That's 4 items, and you finish with: defence: [[Banshee's veil]], [[Frozen Heart]], [[Locket of the iron solari]] | offence: [[rabadon's Deathcap]], [[Morellonomicon]] or [[Twin Shadows]].[/quote]